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Papa Franceso is leading the way and setting a good example for us all. Apparently the Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox representatives who've attended the Installation have been staying at the same residence as the pope, and he is having breakfast and dining with them daily. Did we ever think we'd see the day?

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Interesting point, Otsheylnik. There are often multiple audiences behind what we say.

Are you talking in circles on purpose or does it just happen on accident??


You didn't answer my question.


You didn't answer my question.


You aught to let Met. Hilarion in on that, otherwise his comments about expansion will seem awkwardly out of place.


Orthodox bicker about these issues all the time (OCA vis-a-vis the GOA and ROC) without breaking communion. That alone is no excuse here.


That isn't what I suggested asking him.

Again, not necessarily picking bones with the Orthodox.

Let the Catholics give in to all arguments of "territory" and unite so that they made fade into one anyways.

I don't know: did you open your rabbit hole under Met. Gennadios' name on purpose?

There is no answer to your question: within Orthodoxy all the bishops of Ukraine are under the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine, because they are in communion with him and the rest of Orthodoxy.

Under the Vatican, the Major Archbishop (who claims he is a patriarch, despite what his supreme pontiff says) has his bishops in Ukraine and elsewhere outside of Urkaine, there's a separate bishop in Zakarpatia directly under the Vatican, alongside a host of Latin bishops-including one for Kiev, and for good measure an Armenian bishop in L'viv under a catholicos in Lebanon, although they are all in communion with each other. If you want a justification/excuse for why that is (dis)organized, you will have to ask their "font of unity" for it.

Yes, I did. You just didn't like the answer.

Oh? What particular comments would seem "awkwardly out of place", as His Eminence points to expansion-or even the existence-of the UGCC as being "awkardly out of place."


So did the Apostles and Fathers.
I gave you the reason. You will have to ask someone else for excuses. Do be specific as to what you want excused.


I suggest you first tell us-spit it out-what a Metropolitan in Italy has anything to do with Ukraine: you are aware that they are two separate nations (and Churches), no?

I reiterate what I said earlier. I love the Orthodox Church. I am glad you are Orthodox. But why do you have to be such a jerk?

Is that addressed to Met. Hilarion?

Come on all, it's Lent for all of us at least until tomorrow. Play nice.

The same one as between the MP and the UOC-KP/UAOC.


True, the Church is one. This only means that these man-made divisions must cease.

I suggest you first tell us-spit it out-what a Metropolitan in Italy has anything to do with Ukraine: you are aware that they are two separate nations (and Churches), no?

Because it makes no sense to complain about Catholic impinging on Orthodox canonical territory while establishing churches in Rome, in London, etc.

I'll hold off replying until jjp (the OP) answers.

But in the meantime, on London: you have heard of the Act of Supremacy, no?

You mean UOC-MP and the rest of Orthodoxy. Exactly (don't forget the Pidhirtsi Fathers and their "Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church" and the "Priestly Society of St. Josaphat" as well).

Exactly.

It might be me, but it sounds like several people are calling for Syncretism.

No, that would be you, Isa. You not only deliberately go out of your way to annoy the Catholics, you also annoy your Orthodox brethren.

As for Metropolitan Hilarion, he has a job to do as foreign secretary of the Patriarch Synod of Moscow, so I would expect him to do no more or less than express the official position of the Church of Moscow.

You, however, consistently demonstrate a cavalier disregard for both truth and charity.

Is this ex cathedra?
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