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Annunciation Feast vs. Great and Holy Monday
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This is certainly quite a predicament. When you have the Annunciation during the Great and Holy Week, which is does fall on this year, how would we go about this? I know there are those that are holding the Holy Monday Liturgy of Presanctified Gifts, but at the same time, because it is the Holy Feast of the Annuncation, I'm not sure how things would work... Would we have the propers of the feast within the Presanctified Liturgy, or was the Feast Day Liturgy supposed to be celebrated separately that same day? I'm sure there'll be a lot of confusion about this.

Annunciation trumps everything except Pascha. A few years back, Annunciation fell on Great Friday, and, as per the Typicon, it took precedence. The resulting liturgy was very bi-polar.

We are fortunate to have the (yearly 2013 and common) Typicon prepared by Fr. David Petras wherein all services are specified, for Monday March 25, 2013, pages 35-37: Divine Liturgy with or without Vespers is prescribed, Presanctified Liturgy is not, with all the other details given.

Unfortunately I am seeing this post rather late (actually while I am working on Monday's propers). If you go to the Metropolitan Cantor's Institute home page, you will see the liturgical calendar listed on the right side. For March 25th there is a link to the propers for Vespers with Divine Liturgy. It includes five stichera for Holy Monday and five for Annunciation.

Here are the links:

http://www.metropolitancantorinstitute.org/

http://www.metropolitancantorinstit...nunciation_Holy_Monday_Vigil_DL_full.pdf

The same holds true for the rare times OS Annunciation (April 7) falls during the Orthodox Holy Week per its Pascalion - including Great Friday. That happened in 1972.

Slava Isusu Khrestu

I remember this well for I took my class of grade eights 35 of them from St Ann's Catholic School to the Ukrainian Catholic Church of the Ascension and it was both Great Friday and Holy Annunciation. ( Perhaps I was insane to try such a field trip) Father Kowalsky, pastor at that time had mentioned that to me and I said that would not be a problem for my class had prepared for a long stay and were well informed as to what would be taking place on this day and that it would be long.

When we arrived, the church was in bright colours and likewise the vestments. The Divine Liturgy was celebrated with all of the beauty and happiness of the Feast Day. Immediately after the liturgy, the colours were changed to red or was it purple ( I can't remember). Then with all solemnity, the liturgical services of Great and Holy Friday took place. Luckily for me, my kids were well informed after many weeks of preparation and could sing "Hospode Pomeluj, Podaj Hospode and Amin' and proudly Blaho'obraznej Iosef and in Slavonic!!! " We left the school at 8:45 in the morning got to Church by 9. Liturgy started at 9:15 and we got back to school by 1:30 in the afternoon. Were there any complaints? None at all only such terms a " WOW!... that was so special and... when do we go again" These I remember! In fact now 40 years later, I have been in contact with some of those students who are now 52 - 53!!!!( even older than me now ) and they still with smiles recount that day in 1972!

Unworthy sinner who does not often write
Kolya

My Syriac Malankara Church celebrated Great Monday vespers with Holy Qurbono of the Annunciation. Full Prostrations, black cloths, no icons of saints for vespers, closed curtain (as normally used for evening prayers). The palm leaves from Sunday remained on the altar for Divine Liturgy, as well as the palm blessing cross.

Hmm... I see. Although where I was at, we just had the Divine Liturgy for the Annunciation last night, and it was just like a normal Feast Day DL. Although there were other parishes nearby that actually had the Holy Monday Presanctified DL with the Annunciation Propers. So I'm sure it can go either way.

Serving the pre-sanctified was a violation of the rubrics as prescribed by the Ruthenian Typicon. In the proper Eastern tradition - Catholic and Orthodox alike - there should be zero tolerance of clerical refusal to follow the rubrics as set by the Bishop.

The Ruthenian Typicon and liturgical books are more-or-less banned in the Ruthenian Catholic Church.

The Revisionists prefer to replace our authentic liturgy with things like:

- Vespergies (half vespers and half liturgy on Saturday nights)
- Matingies (a few bits from Matins and the second half of the liturgy)
- Presanctified Funerals
- Revised Vespers / Revised Basil Divine Liturgy / Revised Resurrection Matins combo (Father Petras has done books for these). Ugh!

Yeah, I know they have these at the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist, but somehow I don't mind the Vespergies and Matingies too much, don't ask me why. I know there are those Ruthenian parishes that only have straight up Divine Liturgies on Saturdays and Sundays like Holy Spirit and St. Joseph's, etc...but if one lives in Parma, might as well join at the very top of the Eparchial Ladder, as it were.