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Wow! That's very Orthodox.....no latinization there. One-upmanship strikes again. 
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Is outrage! Of course, in 19th century Russia, the homily usually came AFTER the dismissal, which meant nobody was there to hear it in the first place. Also, we don't go out of the church in the middle of the liturgy to smoke a cigarette or shoot the breeze with our friends before going back in for the rest of the service--both of which were common in 19th century Russia (and are still common in Russia today). I thought that was the Orthodox way? That's the way they do it at the Orthodox church I've been too. (My primary Orthodox experience is with the Greek Orthodox church in my town. The one with a pipe organ, sitting, and an altar rail. )
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Regarding tradition during the Pascal season, I recall hearing that when "Christ is Risen" is sung we are always to stand. This includes before DL, after DL and after Communion. Yet I don't see this happen consistently. Is sitting an "Americanization" or an "ohyeah?inzation."
What have you all been taught? When I was a child, the pews were removed from the church and placed into storage from Easter to Pentecost. I don't recall ever being told the reason. Now that we have a more permanent building, that isn't done.
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The homily is delivered at the end of the Liturgy of the Word. First, there is the reading of the Apostol by the Reader; then of the Gospel by the Deacon; and finally, of the homily by the Presbyter. Thus the three orders of the Church are united in the exposition of the Word of God, and the stage is set for the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
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Then there's the ROCOR where they don't even have pews at all...since kneeling or even sitting at times, is forbidden. So there's that extreme, too. I know that St. Elias UGCC in Brampton, ON follows the ROCOR model, and keeps things as traditional as I've seen of any Eastern Church.
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The ROCOR model is NOT extreme--it's actually the norm for Orthodox churches throughout Europe. Chairs and pews are an innovation; at best, you will find a few benches scattered around the perimeter of the church where the elderly and infirm may sit if their strength fails them.
It is, by the way, entirely traditional to sit during the Apostol and the homily. People usually just squatted on the floor. Similarly, during the reading of the Kathismata during Vespers and Orthros, it's actually obligatory to sit (the meaning of "kathismos" being "while seated").
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Dear Stuart,
We Ukrainian Greek Catholics aren't as enthusiastic for all things Russian as some are . . .
In addition, our latinized Orthodox brethren, such as St Dmitri of Rostove and others, are persons to whom we feel very close (and Russians of all centuries don't).
A point of information
Alex
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