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LOL! I didn't think about that, but you do have a point. I'll pass on the calamari though. And how do you eat lobster without drawn butter?
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From the Bruderhof website:
"Bruderhof members take lifetime vows of obedience and poverty. Anyone who wishes to become a member gives away his or her property before joining, and contributes his or her talents to stand on an equal footing with all brothers and sisters."
About as socialist as it comes.
I live amongst one of the largest populations of Old Order Amish. Wonderful people, But trust me, they know the value of a dollar. They work hard, but they do expect to be remunerated for their labors. They take care of each other and assist one another without holding all in common. And much more realistic, which is probably why you see a lot more Amish than the Bruderhof.
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From the Bruderhof website:
"Bruderhof members take lifetime vows of obedience and poverty. Anyone who wishes to become a member gives away his or her property before joining, and contributes his or her talents to stand on an equal footing with all brothers and sisters."
About as socialist as it comes. Professing and living an Evangelical Life is Socialism? The Franciscans need to know this.
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The Franciscans are monastics. We are not talking about setting up a monastery. If we were, I would agree with you. We are talking about setting up a community.
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Dear Brothers and Sisters:
We need to pray for Lord's Wisdom and Seek Our Lady of Holy Protections. My suggestions are to seek places were children can be educate freely, taxes are low and were are away from major populations. I like the idea of Maine (Northern, Western Mountain Region), Idaho, North Woods around the Ottawa National Forest. The criteria should be 300 miles or greater from any major population. Not near any military base by 250 miles or Nuclear Power plants. We need to be on high ground away from any river or wild creeks that are subject to folding by at least by 3/4's of a mile. A colder climate in the forest is better for strategic purposes.
I think we should seek the Wisdom of an Elder from Mount Athos. Our Goal is to build a community for Families like the Holy Mountain.
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Svyataya Gora is by no means a community for families. And no self respecting monk would leave the Holy Mountain to become a Geronda in a community. It is one thing to attract monastics to a site, with the goal of establishing a monastic community. It is another thing to seek out a Staretz. Startsi are very rare, and the likelihood of finding a real one would be slim to none.
Also, define what you mean by "A colder climate in the forest is better for strategic purposes." I agree that a colder climate is more healthful and more conducive to a good life, but "strategic purposes"?
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Let us pray the Lord provide us Starez. I will seek the intercession of the North American Saints for this little miracle.
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Paul,
Under your criteria, Wisconsin is out. There is an military base in northern Minnesota, besides the proximity of Chicago in the south. Northern or Southern Missouri would be good candidates (Southern especially as it has abundant food and heating fuel sources if managed properly). A community would have to incorporate some "socialist" or communal features. Not everyone could have an outside job, but you would need enough to be able to provide the funds to buy outside goods and materials for the community that the community could not produce itself. The other members of the community who do not have the outside income would work to provide services and needs for the community.
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Adam
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You could just move to Hungary?
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You could just move to Hungary?
Alexis Have you ever tried to learn Magyar?
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Why Hungary of all places? One cannot think of a worse place to be a Slav, than under Hunnic rule. The Huns slaughtered our people until the Cossacks came in 1914 and taught them some manners. In fact, in both the Carpatho Russian and Ukrainian languages, the word for Hungarian is Varvar, barbarian, although most just call them Turks.
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Where in the world did you come up with "varvar"? In Ukrainian the word "Magyar" means Hungarian.
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Why Hungary of all places? One cannot think of a worse place to be a Slav, than under Hunnic rule. The Huns slaughtered our people until the Cossacks came in 1914 and taught them some manners. In fact, in both the Carpatho Russian and Ukrainian languages, the word for Hungarian is Varvar, barbarian, although most just call them Turks. Well, it's been said that the best places for Slavic traditions are in Slovakia, Ukraine and Hungary, since those are the three largest Ruthenian centers of Europe. However, it just seems like Slovakia seems to be where it's at when it comes to the best of these three countries nowadays. Presov and Kuzmice are perhaps the two biggest centers of which is this is true. Sure, the dark days of the "Czechoslovakia" rule might have ruined some of the beauty, but...we did bounce back. Blessed Paul Gojdic Seminary is stronger than ever, imo.
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Why Hungary of all places? I think he's referring to this: Hungary Makes Waves With New Constitution The preamble of the new Constitution, or "Fundamental Law," which came into force Jan. 1, contains references to God, Christianity, and traditional family values. It further stipulates that the life of a fetus be protected from the moment of conception (abortion remains legal, however, in cases where the mother’s health is threatened).
The Constitution states that it recognizes the role of Christianity "in preserving nationhood"; it requires that marriage only be between a man and a woman; it assigns parents, rather than the State, primary responsibility for protecting the rights of the child; and it holds that "the family and the nation constitute the principal framework of our coexistence."
In sum, it marks a refreshing change in stark contrast to a Europe suffering from increasing secularism and a European Union that only a few years ago tried to push through its own Constitution, which conspicuously omitted references to God or Christianity. It also points to the positive contribution some former Eastern bloc countries could make to the spiritual well-being of the continent.
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Oh, and of course it looks like now the country is going to be punished for this by the EU: "Can the EU stop Hungary's controversial constitutional amendments?" Amid growing concerns that the Hungarian government has taken steps to centralize power and weaken democratic principles in the country, a growing movement in the European Union is considering what should be done to keep Hungary in line.
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