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The omen to Non Muslim world. After finished with the Christians minority in muslim countries.... Will westerns and Christians in western countries take their turn?? It seems so..

You know this has been happening since the 13th century, if not from the seventh, right?

Hi.. How r you...

Of course I know, I live in a country with majority of muslim.

What new is : it is happening (again) today, when people think it is a "modern" world. the new is : the Churches leaders decry for their people as mentioned on the frontpage of this site. The new is : "arab spring" is something happening now. And the new is : Christians there are diminishing and diminishing. No Christians anymore in Homs Syria followed by other regions. I think there might be quite many Christians there back to 13th or 7th century, not sure.

What will the Westerns look like some decades in the future... Hopefully not the same thing.. Of course it won't take days..

Not me--it's the Middle East, about as far from modern as one can get. Modern, after all, is a state of mind, not a matter of technology or material goods.

Christians were the majority in the Middle East down to the end of the 11th century (and possibly longer). The dispossession of the Christian peasantry and their replacement with Arab fellahin by the Mamluk Sultans in the 13th century marked a decisive turning point. Also consider that the population of the whole region imploded in Ottoman times. There were probably more people living in Syria and Palestine in the 6th century than in the 16th, and the population did not recover until well into the 20th century. The Christian population declines because (a) there is a constant trickle of one-way conversions to Islam; and (b) Christians who can have been leaving the region both to seek freedom from religious persecution and to find greater economic opportunity. For the Christian population to stabilize and recover, the region must eventually become more economically open and more politically and religiously pluralistic. That's not likely to happen any time soon.

St. Thomas Aquinas on Islam:

“He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.

He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms – which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly.”- Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4

What is it they gain? This holy priest laid down his life trying to protect others.
Priest killed [asianews.it]

Pani Rose:

Christ is in our midst!!

It seems that as the dictators have fallen in the Middle East, Moslems have felt empowered and strengthened to behave as the Quran tells them to do: force the submission of those around them that are not of their religion.

Earlier there was a question about why they slaughter people. It seems to me that they regard those who are not "of them" to be nothing more than animals to be slaughtered, as they slaughter animals in halal butchery. They allow their children to witness this and it desensitizes them. This is how we treat animals: beheadings and cut throats. Then there is the call for crucifixion of those who are not "of them.

Time to get past the PC and wake up to the next threa to Christians and the Western world as we know it.

Bob

Wait! Just give a gift of a Quran! It's just one piece of incense.

I have just read of an interfaith group--the pseudoChristians participating include the Presbyterian Church USA, United Church of Christ, Episcopal Church, and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (the usual suspects)--advocating that Baptism could be administered "in the name of Allah, his Messiah, and his Holy Spirit" as a means of reaching out to Muslims.

Kyrie Eleison.

It is a dogma of "Islamism" (not Islam itself) that every evil seen in the West is conflated with Christianity per se. In other words, far from seeing the West as fallen away from a Christian ideal, they see it as the fruition of all that is Christianity. Therefore, however *good* a Christian missionary may seem to be, in their eyes he is only bringing that filthy disease into the "pure" Muslim world.

Ideologies are powerful things, and however ridiculous Islamism may seem, it's no more ridiculous than Hitler's "Aryanism."

I am very much in favor of ecumenism, but not in favor of political correctness. It is a simple fact that not all cultures and religions are compatible with ours. Dialogue is fine, with those willing to dialogue. Some are not.

Ecumenism is about unity among Christian confessions. Discussions with or about Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, Animist and whatever fall under the aegis of "inter-faith dialogue".

Received this via email today:

Have you ever read in the newspaper that a political leader or a prime minister from an Islamic nation has visited Japan? Have you ever come across news that the Ayatollah of Iran or the King of Saudi Arabia or even a Saudi Prince has visited Japan?

Japan is a country keeping Islam at bay. Japan has put strict restrictions on Islam and ALL Muslims.The reasons are:

1) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship to Muslims.

2) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.

3) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in Japan.

4) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic language is not taught.

5) One cannot import a 'Koran' published in the Arabic language.

6) According to data published by the Japanese government, it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs, Muslims, who must follow the Japanese Law of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese and only carry on their religious rituals in their homes.

7) Japan is the only country in the world that has a negligible number of embassies in Islamic countries.

8) Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.

9) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of foreign companies.

10) Even today, visas are not granted to Muslim doctors, engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.

11) In the majority of companies it is stated in their regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.

12) The Japanese government is of the opinion that Muslims are fundamentalist and even in the era of globalization they are not willing to change their Muslim laws.

13) Muslims cannot even think about renting a house in Japan.

14) If anyone comes to know that his neighbour is a Muslim then the whole neighborhood stays alert.

15) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic 'Madrasa' in Japan.There is no Sharia law in Japan.

16) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim then she is considered an outcast forever.

17) According to Mr. Kumiko Yagi, Professor of Arab/Islamic Studies at Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, "There is a mind frame in Japan that Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one should stay away from it."

Maybe we need to start looking to the Far East to see how to deal with Muslims from the Near East ... or the homegrown variety.

You know that just because you read something in a chain email, it doesn't make it true. Right?