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For those interested the Mozarabic Missal with the Ordinary of the Missal, Lectionary, Calendar, and the Rite of Baptism, Chrismation, and Communion all in Spanish some in Latin.

http://www.mercaba.org/LITURGIA/Mozarabe/cartel_rito_hispanomozarabe.htm

Another site with same info but a bit more:

http://www.arquired.es/users/mrgreyes/ermita/index.htm

Oh dear God, they've Novus-Ordoised and wrecked it.

Actually I think they purged it of Roman Rite accretions from the middle ages without altering the original Old Spanish structure. I was pleased to see the baptismal rite includes Chrismation and Communion.

Fr. Deacon Lance

For those of us who can't recognize the NO-izations, or the de-Romanizations.....

Would either of you care to expound on the changes?

Also, under whose authority is this missal promulgated? Is it approved for use?

it certainly seems alike to the novus ordo in the beginning, but really, it's quite different. saying "amen" after each line of the Pater Noster is interesting...

Marc,

I would need to study the texts more carefully but the preparoty prayers and prayers and the foot of the altar are what seem de-Romanizied.

The Congregation of Divine Worship and Spanish Episcopal Conference. Protocol # 203/86. It is approved for use and it seems the Bishop of Madrid has designated a parish for its exclusive use.

Fr. Deacon Lance

I don't read Spanish well but it appears that the "revised" liturgy for the Mozarabic Rite was approved by the Congregation of Divine Worship and the Discipline of Sacraments in 1988 as adopted and proposed by the National Episcopal Conference of Spain in 1986 and subsequently authorized for use "in all the dioceses of Spain" by the Archbishop of Madrid and president of the Episcopal Conference in 1990.

Although I think its semi-private celebration has been limited to the Cathedral of the Archdiocese of Toledo and to six of its parishes.

The Mozarabic Rite of the Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) is one of the 7 subsisting Rites in the Latin Church today, the others being:

(1) the predominant Roman (Latin) Rite, with two "sub-rites": the TLM by indult under Ecclesiae Dei and the Anglican Use;

(2) the Ambrosian Rite, of the Archdiocese of Milan, Italy;

(3) the Bragan Rite, of the Archdiocese of Braga, the Primatial See of Portugal;

(4) the Dominican Rite, of the Order of Friars Preacher [OP];

(5) the Carmelite Rite, of the Order of Carmel; and

(6) the Carthusian Rite, of the Carthusian Order.

Amado

So is this "de-Romanized" Mass the exact same as the Mozarabic Mass prior to Vatican II (or 1988, it seems), or is this the newly-approved version?

Logos Teen

Yes, and I found the Greek bits interesting as well: in the "ORATIO ADMONITIONIS", there's the "H�gios, H�gios, H�gios", and right after the Sanctus, there's "H�gios, H�gios, H�gios, K�rie o The�s." Intriguing...

Alex

it still pleases me to no end that the Latin Mass uses the "kyrie", which as we all know is Greek. oh my, a Hellenization!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Much Love,
Jonn

I showed the missal to an uncle who loves the Mozarabic Rite and while living in Madrid used to attend it at the Toledo Cathedral, prior to VII, (7 am mass it used to be at the Chapel) and told me is just the same, for the Latin Part at least, as the one he used to attend. The Spanish translation has some mis-translations, for example in the Gloria.

Now I understand why old Spanish priests in Mexico used to say "May the Lord be always with you".

God bless.

Isn't it too short to be the main Divine Liturgy of a Christian Rite? This makes me think that the liturgy was shortened or something like that.

There is another thing. The Creed is said in "plural" as in the modern Western Mass, is this consistent with the past?

The audio files are good though:

http://www.antiguacapillahispana.com/archivos/sala_audio.htm

Yes.

"Isn't it too short to be the main Divine Liturgy of a Christian Rite? This makes me think that the liturgy was shortened or something like that.

There is another thing. The Creed is said in "plural" as in the modern Western Mass, is this consistent with the past?"

Remember the Weatern Rites Masses are generlly shorter than their Eastern counterparts. Also the site only has the ordinary you would have to insert the propers to guage its true length.

The Syriacs Catholic and Orthodox also use the plural Creed. Both are ancient which is why it is silly when Tridentines try to decry the plural as a modernization.

Fr. Deacon Lance

I am not sure if the Mozarabic rite was ever used in Portugal, but it most certainly is not today.
The Bragan rite is not used regularly. It is permitted and has been studied recently by some young priests from the archdiocese who were dispatched to Rome.
It's roots are from the Sarum rite.
I am hopeful that it's common use will soon be restored, if possible even in the vernacular... I have spent some money buying up old books about the Bragan rite, even though I don't understand any of the liturgical ones, as they are all in Latin.