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^And Bolsheviks, like the Ukrainian Khrushchev, who took from Poland and Romania and gave to Ukraine?

Yes, thank you for defending that great Ukrainian, Khruschev.

And you forgot how he also included Crimea into the Ukrainian territory.

I really do need to find a picture of him to hang up on my wall . . .

Alex

Taras Shevchenko (do you have Ukrainian in your background perhaps?) had plenty of critical comments for the Russian Tsarist empire.

He opposed anyone, no matter what their ethnicity, who oppressed others (and not only his own Ukrainians).

The idea that one can determine who was a greater oppressor just won't run.

And I didn't know that Bolsheviks were Orthodox - otherwise, why are you tacitly defending that lot?

Does not the Orthodox veneration of the New Martyrs and Confessors of Russia refer to them as the "servants of Satan?"

Alex

Dear Isa,

I just find you so challenging that I feel irresistibly drawn to you. Too bad we'll probably never meet for coffee.

Alex

[quote=IAlmisry][quote=Vox Populi][quote=IAlmisry]
And ya'll did so well under Poland. [/quote]

Better than under Russia - Ukrainian identity and language was preserved mostly on the territories which have never been occupied by Russia, except 50 years of bolshevik occupation 1939-1991 [/quote]
Did Taras Shevchenko ever set foot in Poland, or even the Austrian Empire?
Who "occupied" Kiev when the Brotherhood of SS. Cyril and Methodius was founded?
In whose empire did Nikolay Kostomarov operate?
Mykhailo Hrushevskyi was born and raised in what is now Poland, but who ruled it in his lifetime? And against whom did he speak during his career in Galicia under the Austrians (or rather, the Poles)? [/quote]

still the language and customs at the year 1991 ( it does not matter what was in the mid-XIX century, the work of russification was not over yet) were preserved exactly where Russian quasi-empire a.k.a USSR was only reigning 50 years and no Russians ever before ( except briefly in 1915, but that doesn't count)

[quote=IAlmisry]^And Bolsheviks, like the Ukrainian Khrushchev, who took from Poland and Romania and gave to Ukraine? [/quote]

nobody "gave" anything to anybody. It was all payed for - by blood and lives.
It's dialectics - even the worst regime under the sun ever will have to provide some positives, which was unification of Ukrainian territories in one piece.

Why not? Are you in internal exile in the Dominion up north?

They let me cross the border. At least, they have in the past.