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Actually, it means "no sex" or sexual relations i.e. purity. Nothing whatever to do with gender, Voxy.
It is no virtue to be pure when one can't or doesn't want to. It is a great virtue to be pure when one can and wants to.
Although in heaven, we won't want to . . .
Alex Are you implying we will have temptations in heaven which we will have to resist? 
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No, Voxy is clearly wrong here.
Our gender will always be a part of us, now and in eternity.
Alex Alex, can say that it is you, who are clearly wrong here I have posted the words of Jesus Christ Himself plus the Catechism - to substantiate my position. BTW, I am half-joking, the situation is ambiguous. I did encounter this belief on the web that our gender is going to be with us forever, however, I was raised on belief that we won't have any gender since there won't be any need for it. Why do you need gender if you won't reproduce? It is just a mammal feature of the Earth. And on what ground do you base the belief of ever-existence of gender difference? It's an interesting topic, isn't it?
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Except that when you're a male . . . then we use the male gender in the language and when one is female . . .
Alex what about the examples I have posted - if one of the synonyms of the road in Ukrainian (путь) is feminine and in Russian путь is masculine - which gender is it? Or собака ( dog) - what gender is the word - if in Russian it is feminine and in Ukrainian it is masculine? 
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Jesus Christ is GOD and as such is neither male nor female.
He is APPEARING to US as He was on Earth - but that is for our human perception, not because He still is the same way as He was on Earth while being incarnated. Same is pertinent for Our Lady.
This is a very interesting subject and I have researched it widely - there is NO CONSENSUS and the Catechism clearly states that upon resurrection we will have DIFFERENT bodies - without gender ( it says spiritual bodies).
Since Christ Himself states that we will be like angels - I do not have any reason not to believe Him. And the Catechism of the CC:
999 How? Christ is raised with his own body: "See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself";551 but he did not return to an earthly life. So, in him, "all of them will rise again with their own bodies which they now bear," but Christ "will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body," into a "spiritual body": Yes Jesus is fully God, and fully man. Two natures. Yet to be genderless would mean something not fully human, but "humanoid". Why don't you believe our male or female qualities could be "spiritualized", glorified and made "different" without being taken away completely? What did you find in your research that led you to such a precise conclusion that these mysterious words can only mean that we will eventually lose our gender? Edit: Okay, I just saw your response to Alex, which answers some of my questions. I still disagree and I can't imagine that any of the Fathers would have felt comfortable with your theory.
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Alex, can say that it is you, who are clearly wrong here I have posted the words of Jesus Christ Himself plus the Catechism - to substantiate my position. BTW, I am half-joking, the situation is ambiguous. I did encounter this belief on the web that our gender is going to be with us forever, however, I was raised on belief that we won't have any gender since there won't be any need for it. Why do you need gender if you won't reproduce? It is just a mammal feature of the Earth. And on what ground do you base the belief of ever-existence of gender difference? It's an interesting topic, isn't it? Yes, this is an interesting topic. Here is something I just found by Bl. Pope John Paul II on this subject: The Resurrection and Theological Anthropology
1. "When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage" (Mk 12:25). These words have a key meaning for the theology of the body. Christ uttered them after having affirmed, in the conversation with the Sadducees, that the resurrection is in conformity with the power of the living God. All three synoptic Gospels report the same statement, except that Luke's version is different in some details from that of Matthew and Mark. Essential for them all is the fact that, in the future resurrection, human beings, after having reacquired their bodies in the fullness of the perfection characteristic of the image and likeness of God—after having reacquired them in their masculinity and femininity—"neither marry nor are given in marriage."...
4. The words, "They neither marry nor are given in marriage" seem to affirm at the same time that human bodies, recovered and at the same time renewed in the resurrection, will keep their masculine or feminine peculiarity. The sense of being a male or a female in the body will be constituted and understood in that age in a different way from what it had been from the beginning, and then in the whole dimension of earthly existence.... The words Christ spoke about the resurrection enable us to deduce that the dimension of masculinity and femininity—that is, being male and female in the body—will again be constituted together with the resurrection of the body in "that age." So I can see where you're coming from Vox, but respectfully, I'll side with the Pope John Paul on this one.
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The Pope and I hereby declare Voxy to be incorrect!
And that's no Bull!
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Dear Desertman,
The real "Vox Populi" would disagree with our Voxy!
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Dear Voxy, You are UGCC, are you not? Therefore, everything the Russkies say is plainly wrong! So you've answered your own questions . . .  Alex
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You are UGCC, are you not?
Therefore, everything the Russkies say is plainly wrong! Lol Although, not a UGCC, speaking as a Magyar...You are spot on Dr. Alex.
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Dear Job, You don't have to be UGCC to know the Russkies are wrong . . . and that quite deliberately . . . But enough of that, I was once accused by the Administrator of being anti-Russian . . . He said that as if that was a bad thing . . .  Just so you know, when I gave a talk to a group of UGCC priests, I told them about my anti-Russian bias but before I could repent of it, they gave me a standing ovation . . . With apologies to our beloved Administrator! Alex
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Yes Jesus is fully God, and fully man. Two natures.
On EARTH while He was incarnated. He changed upon ascension into heaven. He is appearing to us in a way he was incarnated so we can recognize Him, but He is not the same as He was on Earth
Yet to be genderless would mean something not fully human, but "humanoid". Why don't you believe our male or female qualities could be "spiritualized", glorified and made "different" without being taken away completely?
Because there is nothing to our gender except necessity for procreation. If there is no procreation - there is no gender.
What did you find in your research that led you to such a precise conclusion that these mysterious words can only mean that we will eventually lose our gender?
I already posted three quotes. From the Scripture and from CCC - all of the directly state that we will not have the earthly bodies and even more - Jesus Christ Himself underlines that there is no marriage in Heaven and we will be like Angels. Angels are genderless. "no marriage " is a polite way to point - no procreation.
Edit: Okay, I just saw your response to Alex, which answers some of my questions. I still disagree and I can't imagine that any of the Fathers would have felt comfortable with your theory.
Fathers are people. STILL, I did not find anything on the web from the Fathers to say we will have gender.
It is not my "theory" - it the way I was taught - priest included. I have always thought this way and always will - I am simply amazed that there is this strange approach about having useless gender and it is against the words of Jesus Christ Himself.
I have never even encountered OTHER approach until one of the forums on the web - everybody I've met until that moment had the same view. It is not just ME.
That is why I was surprised and started to look on whatever sources I could. I did not find anything reaffirming gender-in-heaven theory except opinions of the lay people
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Alex, can say that it is you, who are clearly wrong here I have posted the words of Jesus Christ Himself plus the Catechism - to substantiate my position. BTW, I am half-joking, the situation is ambiguous. I did encounter this belief on the web that our gender is going to be with us forever, however, I was raised on belief that we won't have any gender since there won't be any need for it. Why do you need gender if you won't reproduce? It is just a mammal feature of the Earth. And on what ground do you base the belief of ever-existence of gender difference? It's an interesting topic, isn't it? Yes, this is an interesting topic. Here is something I just found by Bl. Pope John Paul II on this subject: The Resurrection and Theological Anthropology
1. "When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage" (Mk 12:25). These words have a key meaning for the theology of the body. Christ uttered them after having affirmed, in the conversation with the Sadducees, that the resurrection is in conformity with the power of the living God. All three synoptic Gospels report the same statement, except that Luke's version is different in some details from that of Matthew and Mark. Essential for them all is the fact that, in the future resurrection, human beings, after having reacquired their bodies in the fullness of the perfection characteristic of the image and likeness of God—after having reacquired them in their masculinity and femininity—"neither marry nor are given in marriage."...
4. The words, "They neither marry nor are given in marriage" seem to affirm at the same time that human bodies, recovered and at the same time renewed in the resurrection, will keep their masculine or feminine peculiarity. The sense of being a male or a female in the body will be constituted and understood in that age in a different way from what it had been from the beginning, and then in the whole dimension of earthly existence.... The words Christ spoke about the resurrection enable us to deduce that the dimension of masculinity and femininity—that is, being male and female in the body—will again be constituted together with the resurrection of the body in "that age." So I can see where you're coming from Vox, but respectfully, I'll side with the Pope John Paul on this one. That is your choice. I will side with Jesus Christ and my catechists which taught me differently. And physiologically I can't see any other reason of masculine or feminine characteristics to be kept if their main reason - procreation is not needed anymore
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Dear Voxy, You are UGCC, are you not? Therefore, everything the Russkies say is plainly wrong! So you've answered your own questions . . . Alex I am Ukrainian. Even if I would be orthodox - anything Russkies say - IS wrong
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The Pope and I hereby declare Voxy to be incorrect!
And that's no Bull!
Alex Nope. You are declaring Jesus Christ incorrect - He did not say anything about our masculine-feminine specifics, he actually told - we will be like angels - who do not have masculine-feminine characteristics. Pope did not speak ex cathedra on this, did he?
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Dear Desertman,
The real "Vox Populi" would disagree with our Voxy!
Alex nope. vox populi is on my side. as I've stated above - I have never met anybody, man or woman, who would think they will have gender in heaven
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