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It's my understanding that Bishop Gerald (Dino), of the Eparchy of Phoenix, was to ordain Dcn Brian Escobedo to the priesthood yesterday at Our Lady of Perpetual Help Byzantine Catholic Church in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I was told that Dcn Escobedo is married. Does this church have pews? LOL!! j/k.
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All this discussion has done is confirm my observation from Orientale Lumen. When the subject of mandatory celibacy and restrictions on the ordination of married men by the Greek Catholic Churches came up (in the course of a presentation by Father James Dutko), there was a rare unanimity of opinion between the Greek Catholics and the Orthodox: this was indeed a Church-dividing issue. In fact, the room was filled with barely suppressed rage by both Orthodox and Greek Catholics that was really palpable.
The Roman Catholics, who tried to play down the issue, seemed to be stupefied, absolutely clueless about what was happening. They just did not get it. They saw it as a superficial disciplinary matter, whereas the Greek Catholics and Orthodox saw it as both a lack of respect for, and an attack upon, the integrity of their own shared Tradition. Are you actually this obnoxious in real life?
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The same observation about many westerners' attitudes regarding this issue has been made by many - including those, like Fr. James, who bear no animus towards their Greek Catholic "krajanyj."
Truth hurts.
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The same observation about many westerners' attitudes regarding this issue has been made by many - including those, like Fr. James, who bear no animus towards their Greek Catholic "krajanyj."
Truth hurts. So does arrogance mixed with stupidity... 
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The same observation about many westerners' attitudes regarding this issue has been made by many - including those, like Fr. James, who bear no animus towards their Greek Catholic "krajanyj."
Truth hurts. So does arrogance mixed with stupidity... Is it Stuart you are characterizing as being arrogant and stupid? If so, you're terribly off base. He might possibly be arrogant, but he's anything but stupid.
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Franciscum,
There is nothing in what Stuart said that was either arrogant or stupid.
Archbishop Fulton Sheen once wrote that we are in fact what we call others.
You owe him and this forum an apology.
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There was a very nice write up on the ordination of two married deacons to the priesthood in our Eparchy's newsletter, Light of the West, today. I don't see it posted on the eparchy's website yet, but when I do (or if anyone else sees it pleas post)I'll post the link.
Axios to Frs. Michael and Brian.
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Franciscum,
There is nothing in what Stuart said that was either arrogant or stupid.
Archbishop Fulton Sheen once wrote that we are in fact what we call others.
You owe him and this forum an apology.
Alex So this would suggest the individual is "stupefied, absolutely clueless"?
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There was a very nice write up on the ordination of two married deacons to the priesthood in our Eparchy's newsletter, Light of the West, today. I don't see it posted on the eparchy's website yet, but when I do (or if anyone else sees it pleas post)I'll post the link.
Axios to Frs. Michael and Brian. I appreciated Bp. Gerald's reference to the quote by St. John Vianney...
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Franciscus,
I don't want to go into that. I just don't understand why you would want to do an ad hominem against one of the most widely read and knowledgeable members of this forum and of the Eastern Catholic tradition as is Stuart.
It just shows intellectual weakness on the part of those who engage in such language.
I hope we can all live together as brothers and sisters here.
Alex
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There was a very nice write up on the ordination of two married deacons to the priesthood in our Eparchy's newsletter, Light of the West, today. I don't see it posted on the eparchy's website yet, but when I do (or if anyone else sees it pleas post)I'll post the link.
Axios to Frs. Michael and Brian. I am on the front page of that! [/brag] I also don't recall any mention of Father Michael or Father Brian being married in the newsletter. :p
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Franciscus,
I don't want to go into that. I just don't understand why you would want to do an ad hominem against one of the most widely read and knowledgeable members of this forum and of the Eastern Catholic tradition as is Stuart.
It just shows intellectual weakness on the part of those who engage in such language.
I hope we can all live together as brothers and sisters here.
Alex It does indeed. Perhaps you should be focusing your comments to "Stuart?" His comments may be accurate but they are also often obnoxious.
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No explicit mention of them being married, although it could be inferred from the pictures.
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Dear Franciscus,
OK, forgive me.
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Franciscus,
I don't want to go into that. I just don't understand why you would want to do an ad hominem against one of the most widely read and knowledgeable members of this forum and of the Eastern Catholic tradition as is Stuart.
It just shows intellectual weakness on the part of those who engage in such language.
I hope we can all live together as brothers and sisters here.
Alex It does indeed. Perhaps you should be focusing your comments to "Stuart?" His comments may be accurate but they are also often obnoxious. Oh. Glad to read that. And here I thought it was just me being sensitive.
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