www.byzcath.org Forums Mysteries: The Life of Worship The Other Sacramental Mysteries BAPTISED IN POLAND, UNBAPTISED IN GREECE

That is how my father and brother handled such matters as ACROD clergy in the USA. Thanks for the translation.

"This caused a bit of hilarity around the Orthodox world and humorous articles appeared "When is a Chrismation not a Chrismation?"

It is clear for me, Chrismation is not Chrismation when you are the Russian Tsar and you have previously received the sacraments of Baptism and Chrism (Χρίσμα in Greek, Chresima in Italian) or Myron (Sfânta Taină a Mirului in Rumanian) or the Anoitment with Holy Myron (Миропомазание in Russian):

The Emperor now set aside his crown and the Orthodox Divine Liturgy immediately followed. The anointing portion of the ceremony took place during the liturgy, immediately prior to Communion. After the singing of the Communion hymn, the Tsar gave his sword to an attendant and he and the Tsaritsa ascended the Ambo in front of the Royal Doors of the iconostasis, which were thrown open at that moment. There each was anointed with holy chrism by the Patriarch or Metropolitan. The Tsar was anointed on his forehead, eyes, nostrils, mouth, ears, breast and both sides of each hand, then he stepped aside to his right and stood in front of the icon of Christ. His consort then stepped forward and was anointed on her forehead only,[25] then she stepped to her left and stood before the icon of the Theotokos. Each anointing was accompanied by the words, "the seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit."[36]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_of_the_Russian_monarch#Crowning_of_the_Tsar

If I am not wrong former Jehovah's Witnesses were received back in the Church of Cyprus, where they were once baptised and chrismated, by Chrismation as well.

The Chrismation in the Picture is not a proper Chrismation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SerovV_MiropomazanNikolAlek.jpg

Apostates from Orthodoxy are received back unto the Church by
1. Confession, if the apostasy is not deep and long lasting
2. Chrismation

The Consecration of a Monarch is one of the Holy Mysteries/Sacraments of the Church. It is accomplished by the use of the sacred Chrism.

By the way in "Greek speaking Orthodoxy" the wedding between and Orthodox Christian and a non Orthodox (Non-Chalcedonian, Catholic, Protestant) Christian (baptised in water in the name of the Most Holy Trinity) is perfectly posible (and not only among the members or the Royal families). In the first picture the Catholic prince of Spain Juan Carlos and the Orthodox princess of Greece Sophia getting married. In the second picture, baptism of Juan Carlos by Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli. So….


http://spanishroyals.tumblr.com/image/46528441178


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TAsVKhuVjXs/TltvyBN3_6I/AAAAAAAASv4/Hvhbywk8GgM/s1600/bautizo2.jpg

Francisco, we allow, even to our farm labourers, the same freedom to marry a non-Orthodox person from the major non-Orthodox Churches.

When Princess Sophia, the daughter of King George of Greece, married the Spanish heir to the throne in the early 1960's, there was a dual wedding service -- first in the Orthodox cathedral, then in the RC church of St. Dionysius a few blocks away in Athens.

About princesses, university professors and farm labourers joining the Church of Greece

Yes…but…if I am not wrong Princess Alice of Battenberg (a former Lutheran) was received in the Orthodox Church (Church of Greece) through chrismation whereas Professor Wróblewski (a former Catholic) was received in the Orthodox Church (Church of Greece) through baptism. Personally I do not know what the Church of Greece would do in the case of farm labourers. Personally I know pretty well the case of a Greek Greek-Catholic (Byzantine) Christian (no, I do not know if he was a farm labourer or not) bridegroom who was asked to be baptised in the Orthodox Church (again) before getting married in the Orthodox Church (the Church of Greece being the Church of the bride) so...

Not really. She was received into the Russian Orthodox Church by Chrismation. She is now Saint Elizabeth the New Martyr, having been killed by the Bolsheviks.
Here is an icon
http://www.notofthisworldicons.com/product_images/Elizabeth%20Nun%20Martyr%20iconhr.jpg


Wroblewski is an interesting case. He refused to be received by either Confession or Chrismation in Poland. Obviously there was some personal compulsion which made him seek Baptism. He did this in disobedience to the Polish bishops, and he travelled across Europe to Greece to a monastery where the monks baptized him. It remains to be seen whether Wroblewski's act of disobedience to his Polish bishops will bring him spiritual weal or woe.

We are not talking about the same person:

"In January 1949, the princess founded a nursing order of Greek Orthodox nuns, the Christian Sisterhood of Martha and Mary, modelled after the convent that her aunt, the martyr Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fyodorovna, had founded in Russia in 1909. She trained on the Greek island of Tinos, established a home for the order in a hamlet north of Athens, and undertook two tours of the United States in 1950 and 1952 in an effort to raise funds. Her mother was baffled by her actions, "What can you say of a nun who smokes and plays canasta?", she said.[46] After her daughter-in-law became Queen of the Commonwealth realms in 1952, Princess Andrew attended the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in June 1953 wearing a two-tone grey dress and wimple in the style of her nun's habit. However, the order eventually failed through a lack of suitable applicants".[47]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg

Wroblewski travelled across Europe to Greece to a monastery where NOT the monks BUT THE LOCAL BISHOP baptized him.

My mistake. Why do you see that as important?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_Battenberg

"She (Princess Alice of Battenberg) became deeply religious, and on 20 October 1928 entered the Greek Orthodox Church".

"They (Princess Alice of Battenberg and Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark) married in a civil ceremony on 6 October 1903 at Darmstadt. The following day, there were two religious marriage ceremonies; one Lutheran in the Evangelical Castle Church, and one Greek Orthodox in the Russian Chapel on the Mathildenhöhe".

Any Orthodox wishing to be received into Catholicism by Baptism is (or was?) able to do so in Croatia in the 1980s.

Orthodox women wishing to marry Catholics were baptized. I do not know if this has ceased. I left Yugoslavia in the early 1980s and have not kept up with this.

OOPs! Confusion over the two Princesses Alice.