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Pope Francis may end ban on remarried divorcees receiving Communion - See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...64oi6-1226743749521#sthash.pjAQnCm0.dpuf

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I seriously doubt. Most likely a reporter misunderstood or lied about something he heard and reported it. Then other news outlets picked up on it and spread it.

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Couldn't read the link as it wants a subscription.

Is this the report from Germany about permitting Communion ?

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This was the report that I had seen about it

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The archdiocese of Freiburg’s decision to allow remarried divorcees to receive communion has sparked fears of a domino effect. The Pope is expected to decide over the next few months........

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I wrote this over at Fr.Z:

The Orthodox have been criticized by some Catholics in the past for allowing divorce and up to three marriages with withdrawl of the Sacrament for some years as penance. Unfortunately, the “annulment process” sometimes creates a worse theological problem – instead of divorce with penance, annulled are treated as no sin even occurred and all is peachy. For the Eastern Catholic Churches, many adopted this annulment process in the 19th Cent., creating a theological nightmare. Since in the East, the priest is Crowning the couple representing the Church, there can be no room for annulment – except extreme situations, such as a forced marriage, fear of death, or mental illness.. by accepting the Latin annulment method, the Eastern Catholic Churches find themselves in the same troubling pattern, treating a second marriage as the first, even though all present, including the priest performed the Sacrament with other spouses earlier. Since it was annulled, there is no penitential rite and everything is treated as new.

This “new” faith criteria can and will be treated broadly so as to allow everyone living in sin to be treated as a baptized and chrismated infant. Strangely, some of the Eastern Churches adopted the Latin practice of restricting Communion for their own baptized and chrismated infants to mimic the Latins – if this “new” rule goes into effect, the sinless children are restricted, while the sinful adults are not. Topsy-turvy!

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For the Eastern Catholic Churches, many adopted this annulment process in the 19th Cent., creating a theological nightmare. Since in the East, the priest is Crowning the couple representing the Church, there can be no room for annulment – except extreme situations, such as a forced marriage, fear of death, or mental illness.

Actually, almost all the Greek Catholics relied on the Orthodox nomocanons until the promulgation of the first Code of Canons in 1917. For a few, the Orthodox disicpline may have been maintained even longer.

The problem with Eastern Catholic Churches adopting the Latin discipline of marriage is it is based on a totally different theology of marriage. Having adopted the Latin approach, our whole theology of marriage has been watered down to the point of being unrecognizable.

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Did you read the Arbp. Mueller document? Any thoughts?

http://www.osservatoreromano.va/portal/dt?JSPTabContainer.setSelected=JSPTabContainer%2FDetail&last=false%3D&path=%2Fnews%2Fcultura%2F2013%2F243q13-Sull-indissolubilit--del-matrimonio-e-il-di.html&title=The+Power+of+Grace&locale=en

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St. John the Baptist would not have been put to death today. He would have said to Herod, "Let's go see the marriage tribunal and get this all worked out." crazy

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Originally Posted by Michael_Thoma
The Orthodox have been criticized by some Catholics in the past for allowing divorce and up to three marriages with withdrawl of the Sacrament for some years as penance. Unfortunately, the “annulment process” sometimes creates a worse theological problem – instead of divorce with penance, annulled are treated as no sin even occurred and all is peachy.

Look at it from a different perspective. Indeed there is a penance with the annulment process. First the husband and wife have to admit to a priest that they are failing or had failed, They have to confess that they used poor judgement. They have to shamefully give names of people who will confirm that they gravely erred. No penance?? Maybe its not formally called penance, but in fact it truly is. With God's grace they will be repentant and become a better person. Much depends on their motives and the loving spiritual direction of their pastor.

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Originally Posted by Michael_Thoma
Did you read the Arbp. Mueller document? Any thoughts?

http://www.osservatoreromano.va/portal/dt?JSPTabContainer.setSelected=JSPTabContainer%2FDetail&last=false%3D&path=%2Fnews%2Fcultura%2F2013%2F243q13-Sull-indissolubilit--del-matrimonio-e-il-di.html&title=The+Power+of+Grace&locale=en

Well, the following section may not sit well with our Orthodox brethren:

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In many regions, greater compromises emerged later, particularly as a result of the increasing interdependence of Church and State. In the East this development continued to evolve, and especially after the separation from the See of Peter, it moved towards an increasingly liberal praxis. In the Orthodox Churches today, there are a great many grounds for divorce, which are mostly justified in terms of oikonomia, or pastoral leniency in difficult individual cases, and they open the path to a second or third marriage marked by a penitential character. This practice cannot be reconciled with God’s will, as expressed unambiguously in Jesus’ sayings about the indissolubility of marriage. But it represents an ecumenical problem that is not to be underestimated.
In the West, the Gregorian reform countered these liberalizing tendencies and gave fresh impetus to the original understanding of Scripture and the Fathers. The Catholic Church defended the absolute indissolubility of marriage even at the cost of great sacrifice and suffering. The schism of a “Church of England” detached from the Successor of Peter came about not because of doctrinal differences, but because the Pope, out of obedience to the sayings of Jesus, could not accommodate the demands of King Henry VIII for the dissolution of his marriage.
The Council of Trent confirmed the doctrine of the indissolubility of sacramental marriage and explained that this corresponded to the teaching of the Gospel (cf. DH 1807). Sometimes it is maintained that the Church de facto tolerated the Eastern practice. But this is not correct. The canonists constantly referred to it as an abuse. And there is evidence that groups of Orthodox Christians on becoming Catholic had to subscribe to an express acknowledgment of the impossibility of second or third marriages.

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As I mentioned on another forum, the CDF has a very interesting take on history, as well as a penchant for working backwards from its conclusion to find a justification. I can just imagine what Archimandrite Robert Taft is saying at this very moment, especially in light of the reality that the Greek Catholic Churches employed the Orthodox nomocanons regarding marriage right down to (and in some cases past) the promulgation of the first unified Code of Canons in 1917.

In other words, CDF is full of it and can get stuffed. Oh, wait--that's what Father Robert is saying, through probably in suitably refined Jesuit vocabulary.

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Sigh...

I have some thoughts, they are not kind regarding the Church of Rome and I shall keep them to myself. But as the French say, 'Plus ca change....'

Sigh again.

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Quite correct.

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Originally Posted by griego catolico
. In the Orthodox Churches today, there are a great many grounds for divorce,
The GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE in the Russian Orthodox Church and the Greek
Orthoodx Church in America

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Grounds for divorce in the Russian Church

adultery and a new marriage of one of the parties
a spouse's falling away from Orthodoxy,
perversion,
impotence which had set in before marriage or was self-inflicted,
contraction of leprosy or syphilis,
prolonged disappearance,
conviction with disfranchisement,
encroachment on the life or health of the spouse,
love affair with a daughter in law,
profiting from marriage,
profiting by the spouse's indecencies,
incurable mental disease,
malevolent abandonment of the spouse,
chronic alcoholism or drug-addiction,
abortion without the husband's consent.

See the 2000 Synodal document
"BASES OF THE SOCIAL CONCEPT
OF THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH"
http://3saints.com/ustav_mp_russ_english.html


Grounds for divorce in the Greek Orthodox Church in America

one or both parties is guilty of adultery.
one party is proven to be mad, insane or suffers from a social disease which
was not disclosed to the spouse prior to the marriage.
one party has conspired against the life of the spouse.
one party is imprisoned for more than seven years.
one party abandons the other for more than three years without approval.
one partner should be absent from home without the other's approval, except
in in stances when the latter is assured that such absence is due to
psycho-neurotic illness.
one partner forces the other to engage in illicit affairs with others.
one partner does not fulfill the responsibilities of marriage, or when it is
medically proven that one party is physically impotent or as the result of a
social venereal disease.
one partner is an addict, thereby creating undue economic hardship.

http://www.saintdemetrios.com/OurFaith/Divorce.dsp



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