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Where do you find these sites Fr. AMbrose?! That looks like a site for masochists. A scientific explanation.. perhaps: http://io9.com/351348/neuroscience-explains-why-you-get-pleasure-from-hurting-yourself

A Catholic nun asked if Orthodox people use them and gave me the website. Now I know what to get her for Christmas.

And, even today the Vatican thinks in the same way!

See message 400925

https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbt...e_Divisions_in_the_Orthodox_C#Post400925

Canon 30 from the Council of Trent (Sixth Sesssion, 1547)

30. "If anyone says that after the grace of justification has been received the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out for any repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be paid, either in this world or in the other, in purgatory, before access can be opened to the kingdom of heaven, anathema sit."

The existence of purgatory is not permitted by Trent as an optional or simply pedagogical belief.

Does this teaching and its protective anathema make a belief in purgatory of universal obligation?

Taft's Sixth Rule of Ecumenical Scholarship:


In this case, Trent was not making any statement at all with regard to the Eastern conception of purification in the afterlife, but was refuting claims of the radical reformers that the mere acceptance of Christ as one's savior was in itself sufficient to ensure salvation thereafter.