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On a related note, this may interest you:
I know of a Roman Catholic parish that has begun praying the akathist to Our Lady of the Inexhaustible Cup on a regular basis for its parishioners who suffer from addictions. Since it began a year ago, parishioners have reported healings, people achieving sobriety after years of struggle, and reconciliation in marriages.
The parish has now added the akathist to Our Lady, Queen of All, for its parishioners suffering from cancer. And St Seraphim of Sarov kept a rather large note-book in which he kept a listing of the miracles occurred in the lives of people who prayed the 150 Hail Mary's daily. He said that if we pray this Rule for all our relatives and friends, living and deceased, we can then ask for one singular spiritual favour (something we REALLY need) and it will happen. He also instructed people to take some earth or a piece of wood from the culvert that Otets Nastoiatel mentioned. The nuns of Diveyevo like to sew a piece of wood like this into their lestovkas. AS far as prayer for miracles is concerned, we know that prolonged, sincere prayer is key - and it matters not what we pray, as long as we pray. The Slavic Orthodox Churches developed the All-Night Akathist Service where one would pray akathists, one after another, throughout the night. St Jonah of Odessa (+1924) practiced this form of prayer and he was renowned for healing blindness and people possessed by means of it. Alex
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I concur.
As far as problems with borrowing, not really. I think Peter hit it, on the head. It has to be organic, and integrate well with the totality of the patrimony in question, on a liturgical level. I know of an Eastern Catholic who exhorts to pray the Rosary because Fatima said so, however.. All of our Greek Catholic New Martyrs prayed the Rosary and as a private devotion, it should not affect our liturgical praying at all. Alex Right, but the person in question insisted on the Latin Rosary, no exceptions. I have nothing against that, in itself, as I still pray it in Latin spaces, like Roman parishes, and my folks' place (when asked to do so)
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All of our Greek Catholic New Martyrs prayed the Rosary and as a private devotion, it should not affect our liturgical praying at all. Blessed Pavol Gojdič was devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Blessed Vasiľ Hopko was cured miraculously after making a novena to the Sacred Heart. Obviously, the Lord does not deny His grace simply because a devotion comes from another liturgical tradition.
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All of our Greek Catholic New Martyrs prayed the Rosary and as a private devotion, it should not affect our liturgical praying at all. Blessed Pavol Gojdič was devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Blessed Vasiľ Hopko was cured miraculously after making a novena to the Sacred Heart. Obviously, the Lord does not deny His grace simply because a devotion comes from another liturgical tradition. I can roll with this.
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Right, but the person in question insisted on the Latin Rosary, no exceptions. I have nothing against that, in itself, as I still pray it in Latin spaces, like Roman parishes, and my folks' place (when asked to do so) You can ask this Eastern Catholic acquaintance of yours which "Latin Rosary" is one supposed to pray. There are different ways to pray the rosary based on which country one lives. In Mexico, for example, the introductory prayers begin with the Act of Contrition, not the Apostles Creed, and the Our Father and the three Hail Marys are omitted; the concluding prayers include three modified Hail Mary's that extol Her as Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Even the Hail Mary prayer in Spanish can have different variations. The essential part of the rosary is on the meditation of the various mysteries in the lives of Our Lord and the Theotokos.
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I concur.
As far as problems with borrowing, not really. I think Peter hit it, on the head. It has to be organic, and integrate well with the totality of the patrimony in question, on a liturgical level. I know of an Eastern Catholic who exhorts to pray the Rosary because Fatima said so, however.. All of our Greek Catholic New Martyrs prayed the Rosary and as a private devotion, it should not affect our liturgical praying at all. Alex Right, but the person in question insisted on the Latin Rosary, no exceptions. I have nothing against that, in itself, as I still pray it in Latin spaces, like Roman parishes, and my folks' place (when asked to do so) There was someone here who insisted on the Latin Rosary?! I must have missed that! Not the LATIN rosary!! On this forum?! The moderators should have that person removed from here immediately!!  Sorry for my anti-Latin rant, but CAF would never have allowed me to say any of this . . . Alex
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Right, but the person in question insisted on the Latin Rosary, no exceptions. I have nothing against that, in itself, as I still pray it in Latin spaces, like Roman parishes, and my folks' place (when asked to do so) You can ask this Eastern Catholic acquaintance of yours which "Latin Rosary" is one supposed to pray. There are different ways to pray the rosary based on which country one lives. In Mexico, for example, the introductory prayers begin with the Act of Contrition, not the Apostles Creed, and the Our Father and the three Hail Marys are omitted; the concluding prayers include three modified Hail Mary's that extol Her as Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Even the Hail Mary prayer in Spanish can have different variations. The essential part of the rosary is on the meditation of the various mysteries in the lives of Our Lord and the Theotokos. Dear Griego Amigo, One of your Latin priests ( ) published the rosary as it was prayed in the time of Bl. Alan de la Roche. It didn't have the "Holy Mary . . ." but after the words, "Jesus Christ" one would read one of the 150 verses composed in honour of the lives of our Lord and the Most Holy Mother of God. It isn't an easy rosary to say, but very enriching . . . Alex
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That's okay, Alex. It was in the Googlesphere (Google+). One priest at a Byzantine Catholic pilgrimage, last year, said it didn't matter as long as you pray for her intercession, citing the Latin Rosary, or the Prayer Rule, advocated by Seraphim of Sarov
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All of our Greek Catholic New Martyrs prayed the Rosary and as a private devotion, it should not affect our liturgical praying at all. Blessed Pavol Gojdič was devoted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Blessed Vasiľ Hopko was cured miraculously after making a novena to the Sacred Heart. Obviously, the Lord does not deny His grace simply because a devotion comes from another liturgical tradition. The devotion to the Sacred Heart of Christ also figured in St Nicholas Cabasilas' book on the Divine Liturgy and the St Vladimir's Seminary people who published it included an Introduction/Forward where they differentiated between the "Sacred Heart of Christ" and the Western veneration of the "Heart of Jesus." I'm assuming that Blessed Pavel and Blessed Basil practiced the Byzantine veneration of the Heart of Christ rather than the latter. You have to be careful of all that "creeping Latinization" you know . . . Then there was St Nicodemos the Hagiorite with all the positive things he had to say about the heart . . . I once told Fr. Keleher, of blessed memory, about how easy reciting the Jesus Prayer was for me before a picture of the Sacred Heart of Christ (not to be confused with the later Latin devotion, please note . . .) and he responded positively saying that I should consider "reconstructing" it. (Is anyone even smiling at any of this? ) Alex
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I am smiling: sacred heart of christ is something different, in that, I wasn't sure there was the distinction you just made.
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That's okay, Alex. It was in the Googlesphere (Google+). One priest at a Byzantine Catholic pilgrimage, last year, said it didn't matter as long as you pray for her intercession, citing the Latin Rosary, or the Prayer Rule, advocated by Seraphim of Sarov Dear Lester, Thank heavens it wasn't here . . . After all the effort we've expended to defend our Byzantine traditions on the rosary, Sacred Heart etc. Those Latins keep taking things from us - which is OK as long as they foot-note the original source!! Alex
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I am smiling: sacred heart of christ is something different, in that, I wasn't sure there was the distinction you just made. Dear Lester, Well, thank you for that - I feel as if I've contributed something positive to the forum today . . . I didn't know about that distinction either until I read it in the St Vladimir's Seminary publication of Cabasilas' work. Who am I to question the Orthodox? God bless them!! Alex
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Dear brother Alex,
Can you please elaborate on the distinction between the Eastern Sacred Heart of Christ and the Latin Sacred Heart of Jesus?
The reason I ask is because I have encountered EO who are vehemently opposed to the idea of focusing on a particular feature of the Lord as part of prayer.
Blessings,
Marduk
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Dear brother Alex,
Can you please elaborate on the distinction between the Eastern Sacred Heart of Christ and the Latin Sacred Heart of Jesus?
The reason I ask is because I have encountered EO who are vehemently opposed to the idea of focusing on a particular feature of the Lord as part of prayer.
Blessings,
Marduk Dearest Brother Marduk, I spent some time looking for that St Vladimir's Seminary publication, but have yet to find it. From what I remember of how they treated the subject, it was said that the way St Nicholas Cabasilas referenced the "Heart of Christ" in his book on the Divine Liturgy was a focus on the entire Christ through the prism of His Love for mankind. There is no question but that there would not be any iconography of the Heart of Christ (the heart symbol does figure in Byzantine icons but usually as a decoration for the Gospel Book that the Most Merciful Lord and Lover of mankind bears in His left Hand). The criticism of the Western devotion to the "Heart of Jesus" is precisely that - it focuses on a "body part," tends toward a "pietistic" veneration and underlines a questionable religious anthropology etc. That's the gist of it, sir. Alex
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thanks, for that, Alex. I'll have to ask some people around, at the local OCA parish. I know Father George was a St. Vlad's alum, in the '70s/80s
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