www.byzcath.org Forums Faith & Christian Life The Christian East & West Beatification of Ven. Archbp. Fulton Sheen "on hold"

Alex, what else? ROFL.

I think we made a wrong turn at Albuquerque when we began discussing the Orthodox situation.

And you, Lester, should have nipped that in the bud right away.

So I think you just may be the one to blame for this . . .

A blessed feast to you.

Alex

Hah! ROFL.

Dear Charles,

Just to stay on topic - which St Charles are you named after?

Alex

Actually, we shouldn't even be discussing about Venerable Fulton Sheen in the first place. As the Church News forum states, it is news about the Christian East-- or as a beloved Melkite monsignor would say, "we do not care a whit what the Latin view is on anything."

However, Venerable Fulton was bi-ritual.

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May I suggest this topic be moved to The Christian East & West forum?

Blessed Emperor Charles of Austria, who wasn't blessed at that time. My ancestors were from Austria on my father's side of the family. Nearly all from Scotland on the other side, where Charles was a popular English name, so that's a possibility, too. There are no older relatives left I can ask about that.

I did not know Sheen was bi-ritual.

I recall reading a while back a snippet mentioning that Blessed Joseph Raya had invited Blessed Fulton Sheen to celebrate the Divine Liturgy, which became controversial (for some reason of which I am not aware).

I believe brother Alex is spot on in his observations in this thread.

The other thing I wanted to point out about the process of canonization is that the centralization of the canonical process is an [i]option[/i] for any individual hierarch, not a mandate. An Eastern/Oriental hierarch can choose to go the (newer) prescribed route, or the traditional route for the spread of veneration by "osmosis" (for lack of a better term). Unfortunately they are normally mutually exclusive processes. A local saint will not go through the newer process if a local, official public cultus already exists - and thereby the only option in that case for the spread of veneration is by "osmosis." The plus for the newer formal process is that the local saint obtains more public exposure and the universality of the cultus can more easily be derived. Of course, as brother Alex has pointed out, the Pope can choose to overlook the formality of the newer, prescribed process and, as head bishop of the Church universal, choose to listen directly to the local Church (instead of the Vatican bureaucracy) and grant official universal recognition of sainthood.

Blessings

Brilliant! The royalist association I belong to has promoted his Cause always (even though there are Anglicans and Protestants who are members . . .).

You have a very holy intercessor in Blessed Charles of Austria and Hungary who, as you know, never missed daily Mass, even at the height of wartime and would kneel in the mud when Mass was celebrated outdoors out of necessity.

Blessed Charles, Pray for us!

Alex

Dearest Brother Marduk,

You mention "Blessed Joseph Raya" - is that indicative of a growing veneration for the holy Archbishop within the Melkite Church? Do tell!

Please accept my deep spiritual bow,

Alex

Well, Griego Amigo, that picture of Blessed Fulton Sheen looks pretty Eastern to me!

I think we on this forum should adopt the Cause of Sheen who, by Rite ( ) belongs to the Eastern Churches too!

Who knows? Maybe this will be instrumental in bringing back to the EC Churches the "good old ways" of saint-making, from the bottom up!

Alex

Well, then, maybe the Archeparchy of Pittsburgh should step in and act as mediator between her squabbling Roman Catholic sisters, Peoria and New York.

Dear Amigo Griego,

New York will surely agree to this - but will it "play in Peoria?"

Alex

The digression on the EO and EC Churches in Ukraine has been moved to Town Hall and re-titled appropriately.

This thread is for discussion of the Cause of Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen and related discussion about the canonization processes of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

Many years,

Neil

Thank you Brother Neil!

The digressions were beginning to annoy me as well . . .

Alex

Yes, he did have bi-ritual faculties. He was taught how to celebrate the Divine Liturgy by Father George Chegin, a priest of the Eparchy of Passaic. Source. [eparchyofphoenix.org]

As to the questions of who gave him faculties, why he received faculties, and how often he celebrated Divine Liturgy, you can read the answers from a post at the CAF: Link. [forums.catholic.com]

Here are some links to photos of him in Byzantine vestments:
Photo 1. [1.bp.blogspot.com]

Photo 2. [i3.photobucket.com]

Photo 3. [post-gazette.com]

There is a photo of him in Byzantine vestments in his autobiography, Treasure in Clay, celebrating a Divine Liturgy at Holy Cross Cathedral in Boston, November 11, 1956 with Rev. George Chegin and Very Rev. Daniel P. Maczkov, V.F., and, Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: A Man for All Media , which includes two photographs. (You can see the photographs of the latter book if you go over to Google Books.)

In 2011, the Bishop Emil J. Mihalik Museum hosted a multimedia exhibit to promote the cause for the canonization of Archbishop Sheen entitled, "A Voice Crying Out on the Airwaves: A Prophet for Our Time".
There is a Youtube video [youtube.com] on this exhibit.
If you pause at minute 1:47, you can read this:
I would like to listen to that audio if it is still available.

On the Wikipedia article on Archbishop Joseph Raya [en.wikipedia.org], it states the following:


There is a thread from 2010 about an audio recording of Venerable Sheen's address to the 1967 Melkite Convention, but the link to the audio recording no longer works. Would be nice to hear it.

I discovered via WorldCat [worldcat.org] that there is a sound recording (i.e. vinyl record) titled, "Holy and divine liturgy of St. John Chrysostom : Bishop Fulton J. Sheen explains the liturgy and reads selection of prayers."
Contents include:
I am going to try and borrow that through inter-library loan.

Finally, Archbishop Fulton Sheen at St. Elias Byzantine Catholic Church, Carteret NJ (August 1955) Link. [livingforgoodtimes.tumblr.com]