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Also, FWIW, Bishop Gregory noted good parish growth in other, non-traditional (for Carpatho-Rusyns) places, like Florida. So I wouldn't say the Carpatho-Rusyn tradition is doomed. I think it does need to break out of an ethnic mold, as with many Orthodox groups here, and some are taking that need seriously. I'd also like to see Carpatho-Rusyns "evangelize" the rest of the American Orthodox with some of their wonderful, unique traditions- particularly prostopinije. I think it's an ideal system of chant (versus Byzantine, Znamenny, or modern Russian choral stuff) for getting congregations involved while maintaining a high standard of beauty and possibilities for professional musicianship. I would especially like to see OCA parishes start giving more respect to their Carpatho-Rusyn roots and start using prostopinije more earnestly (as opposed to a handful of token CR settings here and there.) I can only speak for myself and my family. The RDL was the final straw (amongst many other issues) which led me to the Holy Orthodox Church. It was intolerable for me and my wife...especially the gender neutral language. Also, I have experienced Byzantine chant, Znamenny, and Russian choral....I like them all better than Prostopinije. Znamenny is my favorite. But that is just my opinion.
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I can only speak for myself and my family. The RDL was the final straw (amongst many other issues) which led me to the Holy Orthodox Church. It was intolerable for me and my wife...especially the gender neutral language. Fair enough, but as you say, it was the final straw, not necessarily the biggest one. I'm sure you had bigger underlying motivations for coming over to Orthodoxy. Also, I have experienced Byzantine chant, Znamenny, and Russian choral....I like them all better than Prostopinije. Znamenny is my favorite. But that is just my opinion. A few years ago I would probably have said the same thing. Prostopinije has grown on me- the more I explore it, the more i love it. That said, prostopinije is actually a form of znamenny, and a lot of the melodies are very close or the same, but there are fewer of the very complicated melodies you sometimes see in znamenny.
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I'm sure you had bigger underlying motivations for coming over to Orthodoxy. Indeed! Prostopinije has grown on me- the more I explore it, the more i love it. Yes. When I was with the Ruthenian Catholics....I certainly enjoyed it.
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You are correct to say that the Ukrainian Churches are experiencing at least maintenance if not growth because of the immigration. Our demographics have changed as a result - we're beck to 1949 when my parents' generation came over and took over from the old immigration. This new immigration has revitalized parishes primarily in cities, like Toronto, but elsewhere in Ontario we are experiencing the same decline, as well as the need to accommodate both Ukrainian and English speakers under one small roof. Toronto's big enough that you can find what you want, Catholic or Orthodox. The trick is bring the different groups together. My own children who speak reasonable Ukrainian get flack from their new wave classmates.
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