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Understand there is a Grand tradition with Icon writing and with materials used. So my question is about the use of modern materials?
--Such as modern paints, inks, metallic flakes, UV activated flakes, heat activated flakes,car like pearl paints, and protective coatings.
--Also, what about modern tools such as dremels, electric saws, air brushes, wood burners, and electric sanders?
Is it/can it be appropriate to use these materials to portray a point, save money, or to save time? As long as it is done in prudence and does not come out looking like a Bass Boat(not saying Bass Boats are bad).
My question stems from seeing a statue of the Sacred Heart at Jasna Gora that used a pearl/metallic paint for the red robe. It did not take away from the message but added to it. Also, seen an Icon of Our Lady that slightly used modern colors around the heart area.
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I think there is an ideal to use traditional media, but then some do otherwise. The well-know St. Elisabeth Convent in Minsk offers icons, most of which are done in acrylic. Of course there have been embroidered icons on vestments and banners. There is a lot of pressure to use traditional media because the revival of traditional iconography is so recent it would be a step backwards to do otherwise. Consider American Abstract Expressionism, where the medium is the message. This is the extreme of what is involved with iconography. There is something cosmic in the selection of traditional media for icons, using representatives of different element groups to produce something evoking the Incarnation. It is quite different from making a statue or mere religious art. If you look at most iconography offered on the web, it is quite bad. Persons with some or no talent take a workshop (I did) and poof they are iconographers. It is really supposed to take years or praxis under a guide who had the tradition handed on the him...and lots of prayer and fasting. Of course there were stalwarts such as Photios Kontoglou or Ksenia Pokrovskaya, who were called to revive the iconographic tradition on a wider scale than the Athonite and Old Ritualists who kept it, but this was the result of prayer, study and spiritual guidance. Sorry for regurgitating things that are written of ad nauseam regarding traditinal iconography. And I hold no animus against the "soft style" which maintains in churches furnished c.1700 to c. 1960. They are holy, having been in the presence of the liturgy countless times.
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Thank you Mark for your reply.
It appears Icon production is more about the journey than the final product. Which to me makes all the more meaningful.
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Since I am on the forum actively (for the first time, although I "lurk" constantly!) I thought I'd just add that one of the canons governing iconography insists that the materials used should be as durable as possible. Evidently the ancient Mayans had an early form of acrylic which looks as fresh now as it did 500 years ago! So it seems to me that acrylic may be not just suitable for iconography, but maybe eminently suitable!
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There are no ecumenical canons governing the correct materials for icons. Naturally we want to go for materials that are durable and suitable for conveying a spiritual aesthetic.
P.S. Icons are painted, not written
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And I hold no animus against the "soft style" which maintains in churches furnished c.1700 to c. 1960. They are holy, having been in the presence of the liturgy countless times. I agree with you, except that, as the 7th ecumenical council teaches, icons are holy by virtue of the persons depicted and their names inscribed. There is no need for further "blessing" of icons, though this has become a popular practice.
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Perhaps I mis-spoke in using the term "canons." There is indeed no set of canon law regarding icons. But there are plenty of rules, found scattered throughout Council decisions, synod proceedings and other sources--the Rudder, for instance. As far as I know, no one has ever attempted to collect the rules into one comprehensive set. A daunting task, actually, as many times there are variant rules, even contradictory at times!
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No church follows all the canons to a tee, Catholic, Orthodox or Old Calendar breakaway bodies...even though some behave as though they are canon law fundementalists.
BTW, "painting icons" is as correct as "writing icons". "Graphein" generally means depiction.
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