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Originally Posted by Thanos888
Originally Posted by Phillip Rolfes
Some people have been truly enriched by the charismatic renewal and have been led into deeper levels of contemplation than I can even hope to reach. A good example would be Ralph Martin, a man every bit as influenced by and immersed in Sacred Tradition and the writings of the great Western mystics as he is with the charismatic renewal. Many of the U.S.'s modern scholars and apologists have, in some way, also been influenced by the renewal. The point is, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it outright.


Philip,

How can you say the movement itself is very good?

Do you believe that talking NONSENSE is from the Holy Spirit?

Dear Thanos,
Although I know that this is an old thread, you raised an important question. In his answer, he says that he thinks the movement is good because it brought some people to deeper contemplation.

Furthermore, you bring up what is for me a real challenge. On one hand, the Bible presents it as if the incomprehensible babble (glossolalia) in 1 Corinthians was a special gift of the Spirit. On the other hand, objectively speaking, I am inclined to think that this was no miracle. At best, it was a very natural, psychological act that people felt inspired to perform in a positive way.

I tried to think in more detail about both how the Orthodox Church looks at the Charismatic movement, and about what resemblance it has to the early Church in my essay that I posted about here:

https://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/413786#Post413786

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Phillip Rolfes,

I found your posts thoughtful.
Originally Posted by Phillip Rolfes
I do, however, disagree with a good deal that goes on. But much of what I disagree with can't really be attributed completely to the charismatic renewal as it can just pure ridiculousness. Here's a list:

5) I'm not a big fan of the uncontrolled laughter and crying. That's always seemed out of place to me.
The things you listed do seem to me to be part of the "Renewal", although not inherent in it.
I agree that the laughter is very odd to me. But the uncontrolled crying? That sounds like something some saints like St. Symeon the New Theologian occasionally describe.


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Originally Posted by rakovsky
I agree that the laughter is very odd to me. But the uncontrolled crying? That sounds like something some saints like St. Symeon the New Theologian occasionally describe.

The uncontrollable laughter and rolling around on the ground and maniacal twitching is certainly demonic. And I can assure you that the theatrical crying and wailing are not synonymous with the holy tears of repentance experienced by the saints and fathers of the Church.

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