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dear "StBenedict Rules!"  I had a look at their stuff. I don't see the problem... i.e. there's shouldn't be any problem. The "iconography" is Really Bad imo. Even aesthetically and artistically speaking... If for no other reason, your parish should not buy them because they are "yucky". Y'all can do a whole lot better just by buying a few good prints [and a whole lot cheaper]. And avoid supporting questionable groups. Perhaps the bigger worry is that the parish can't tell good iconography from...  Happy Pokrova Feast!!! herb.
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Originally posted by Joe T:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the nuns at Mt. St. Macrina mostly sells these at their gift shop during the Otpust. A number of parishes that learned of their background have simply found other sources for icons. No recalls. No reimbursements. So, it must be OK to use them. But Joe, When's the last time you ever heard even a word from one of our hierarchs, regarding icons--positive or negative? They can issue 3 pages of regulations about clergy wearing the skufiya or kamilavka, but when's the last time there was a pastoral letter to the faithful that actually contained a *teaching* about something? Has one of our hierarchs ever recommended that the faithful keep an icon corner in their home, or actually pray in front of icons? In our "Catholic lives", the faithful are more exposed to enneagrams and "centering prayer" than to our own Tradition. Our Sunday Visitor, NCR and NCR aren't about to go into the details of the Byzantine theology of icons and the incarnation or how to create an icon corner. I'm not sure our eparchial newspapers are about to undertake something that spiritual, either.
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Originally posted by Lemko Rusyn:
But Joe,
When's the last time you ever heard even a word from one of our hierarchs, regarding icons--positive or negative? They can issue 3 pages of regulations about clergy wearing the skufiya or kamilavka, but when's the last time there was a pastoral letter to the faithful that actually contained a *teaching* about something? Has one of our hierarchs ever recommended that the faithful keep an icon corner in their home, or actually pray in front of icons? In our "Catholic lives", the faithful are more exposed to enneagrams and "centering prayer" than to our own Tradition. Our Sunday Visitor, NCR and NCR aren't about to go into the details of the Byzantine theology of icons and the incarnation or how to create an icon corner. I'm not sure our eparchial newspapers are about to undertake something that spiritual, either. LR, Why not write and submit an article to our newspapers. I think you'd be surprised to find that if it was factual and well written it would be published.  Admin
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I do not understand how anything that causes a person to raise his/her mind and heart to God can be called evil? If you have a concern about the way in which these pictures were manufactured or any occult ritual that may or may not have taken place before being shipped (I have seen no documentation about this, it is merely hearsay)...then by all means have them blessed, which you should do anyway. The power and blessing of God is enough to overcome anything the devil can do. Don
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I would stick with places like Light and Life publishing or support a Monastery that writes Icons like St Isaac of Syria Skete. OUr Monasteries NEED our support- they pray for all of us constantly- we need to bear them up!
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Slava Isusu Christu!
Personally I think monasteryicons.com "Ikons"
are quiet dull and boreing. I like the traditional Russian and Mount Athos Ikons.
More Eastern.
Ive noticed that no Eastern Orthodox store carries any monasteryicons.com, pictures, because of their known history and rituals that i done before shipping. Better safe then sorry i say!
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Yes, but doesn't the power of the True Light, expressed through the blessings of His priests and the prayers of the faithful, overcome all the efforts of the evil ones? Originally posted by Seeker of God:
Satan disguises himself as an angel of light sometimes.
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I wasn't really making a comment about the paintings being discussed, but was only responding to the question: "can anything that beautiful be bad?" In answer to your question, I'd say sometimes (that's another thread )
He who can without strain keep vigil, be long-suffering and pray is manifestly a partaker of the Holy Spirit. But he who feels strain while doing these things, yet willingly endures it, also quickly receives help. - Mark the Monk
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GLORY TO JESUS CHRIST!
GLORY TO HIM FOREVER!
Joe T. wrote:"...the nuns at Mt. St. Macrina mostly sells these at their gift shop during the Otpust..."
Yes, Joe T. Sr. Stephanie does carry Monastery Ikons in the Ikon shop at Mt. Macrina. She also carries ikons from many other dealers as well.
The Ikon and Book Service in Washington DC also carries Monastery Ikons as does the gift shop of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Herb wrote:"...The "iconography" is Really Bad imo. Even aesthetically and artistically speaking... If for no other reason, your parish should not buy them because they are "yucky..."
I actually think that their ikons are better than some of the ikons I've seen in churches, prints and hand-written ones. I've seen some that have actually caused me to cry 'cause they're so un-prayerful.
Monastery Ikons is an EXCELLENT source for ikons that can be used as cartoons for ikonographers. They have many subject matters that I can't find cartoons for in other of the other sources. For example, the have the only ikon of Christ blessing the children and Christ healing the woman with the flow of blood that I've ever seen.
As for what Don in Kansas wrote:"...If you have a concern about the way in which these pictures were manufactured or any occult ritual that may or may not have taken place before being shipped (I have seen no documentation about this, it is merely hearsay)..." I whole-heartedly agree. Is this not bearing "false witness" which we are told NOT TO DO in the Old Testament???
My God is the God who trampled Death! He gave the power of His blessings to His priests. When they bless and consecrate an ikon, it's a done deal in my opionion, I have nothing to worry about!
Just my humble opinion...
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I think of Monastery Icons as the McDonalds of icons. They're not all that good, their "nutritional value" can readily be called into question, but they are so widely available (and they offer a selection of post-schism Western saints unavailable from most "sit-down restaurants" serving better "food." I daresay most of us have one or two of 'em. Sharon
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Aren't these icons sold as copies? In that case, they are not real icons in the true sence of the word, right? I was taught that if an Icon is written with all appropriate fasting and prayer, but then copied, only the original holds the subject's nous. Therefor, until blessed, a copy is just that - a copy (good or bad). Personnaly, I can't afford originals, copies have been my salvation.
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Originally posted by Brian:
I would stick with places like Light and Life publishing or support a Monastery that writes Icons like St Isaac of Syria Skete. OUr Monasteries NEED our support- they pray for all of us constantly- we need to bear them up!
Brian, This would be a good idea but it is serverly limiting for most of us, as Byzantine Catholics "our" only monastery that sells icons, that I am aware of, is Holy Resurrection Monastery and I believe that the selection is limited. David
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Originally posted by Dmitri Rostovski:
I was taught that if an Icon is written with all appropriate fasting and prayer, but then copied, only the original holds the subject's nous. This looks like it delves into the theology of the icon, and I'd appreciate it if some discussion of this could be had. Icons hold their subject's nous?? What does that mean?
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I like the icons from Monastery Icons. They are "light" colored in the background. I don't like the "dark" ones. Its my opinion.
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My understanding is that the image on the icon is as real in presence as if we were looking into an open window. Nous, meaning cognitive spiritual experince (hesychism) maybe the wrong term but it makes sence to me. The icon takes on the presence of that which is depicted. This can only happen, I think, if the writer performs the appropriate fast and the icon is blessed. Copies must be blessed as well to gain this grace and some may argue that if the original is done correctly, all copies are also fully correct. Atleast that is how I see it.
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