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I believe Russia is in a lot better moral shape than Ukraine. Ukraine is pushing many moral evils therefore they've received the wrath of God. Not just Ukraine ... the US, Germany, France, etc...disgusting. morally corrupt. Why should God allow this filth to continue. Come on.

Then you aren’t paying attention. Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world. Weekly church attendance is 8%. But at least Putin and Patriarch are against homosexuals so they must be the right hand of God? What a joke.

As a counter, Check what Fr. Deacon Dragani says about it. Now, he doesn't get all his facts right. BUT, the fact that he is a UGCC priest, I suspect he'd know quite a bit about it. I can't remember if he had this discussion with Michael Lofton from Reason and Theology or elsewhere, but, I heard it some months ago.

Well I would say the homosexual and transgender agenda is the most dangerous aside from abortion. That's one thing Russia is doing right. That's terrible that Russia has such a high abortion rate. Hopefully that will change. It just seems from my viewpoint, just an opinion, that Russia is heading in a better direction than Ukraine. I'm in the US. And I can't imagine having a president who would question the LGBT agenda, let alone oppose it. So that's one thing Russia's got going for it. I did not mean for this thread to become political. With all the fake news and agendas everywhere it seems almost impossible to truly know what's going on in the world... what is true, what is a lie, what is a conspiracy theory, what's not, etc. And I realize I may be wrong in my opinions. I just thought maybe all this war and conflict might be God trying to bring Ukraine to repentance. To bring good out of apparent evil. I'm new here and my intention has not been to offend or upset anyone. I apologize to anyone who I may have upset. I knew my thoughts would be controversial but I have had no intention to antagonise anyone.

Does anyone on this side of the Resurrection really think God needs or uses the physical force of a military to exact punishment…

I recall these words of the Lord: “My kingdom is not of this world…” (Jn 18:36)

There is plenty of good, solid news and journalism available in order to decern what is truthful. One should be as able to detect so called "fake news" as easily as you should be able to smell spam, fraud and robo calls. As far as the evils and failings of western democracy is concerned; this is a familiar mantra of tyranical regimes who detest free societies. I am appalled that this is the only active thread on this forum, and I encourage posters to end it!

Personal opinion: (and worth about $.02 on the open market)

I don't think this has anything to do with the "wrath of God" or any such thing. This is strictly from the corrupted natures of fallen mankind and our acting out on our sinful desires. When we turn from Christ, from His teachings, from His Church and Her disciplines, this is what you can expect, not some "wrath of God." God letting us alone to follow what our sinful nature desires brings more than enough self- created "wrath" upon our heads.

I believe God uses many forms of punishment to bring a country or person to repentance. It is not about revenge or God taking it out on us. It's about bringing about repentance to save more souls. I know these are only private revelations, by Our Lady has warned many, many times, for instance at Akita and Fatima, that a severe chastisement is coming if we don't repent. The Church says these apparitions are worthy of belief, so obviously these ideas of punishment are not opposed to Church teaching. And what do you mean on this side of the resurrection? Are you saying God has changed since the old testament?

I am closing this thread. I am also appalled that this is the only active thread on this forum.

Bob
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