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I made this this point in a previous thread, but here it is from His Beatitude - Banning UOC-MP [cruxnow.com]

I hope the Ukrainian government heeds his warning.

Russia's supporters are already martyrs. Ever hear of the Dombas Region? For eight years prior to this war, Ukrainian military forces randomly bombed and killed civilians, a little fact that none of the Western media cared to get their knickers in a knot over. But after Putin finally had enough of broken treaties, killing of Russian people in Dombas, and other atrocities and began to fight back, then he's the bad guy and the Ukrainian government, every bit as corrupt as our own government in the USA, is suddenly the poor, picked on people.

Politics . . . sheeeesh! Stay out of it, Your Holiness.

[quote=Edward H (Irish_Ruthenian)Russia's supporters are already martyrs. Ever hear of the Dombas Region? For eight years prior to this war, Ukrainian military forces randomly bombed and killed civilians, a little fact that none of the Western media cared to get their knickers in a knot over. But after Putin finally had enough of broken treaties, killing of Russian people in Dombas, and other atrocities and began to fight back, then he's the bad guy and the Ukrainian government, every bit as corrupt as our own government in the USA, is suddenly the poor, picked on people.

Politics . . . sheeeesh! Stay out of it, Your Holiness.[/quote]

Thanks for your enlightened point of view. Sergei Lavrov could not have said it better. I suppose Ukrainian soldiers were doing the same in Crimea. As they say in Latin: Pro pudor!

Obviously M. Archbishop Sviatoslav is a wise man. Among all else, he realizes that a country fighting for democratic principles must guarentee those principles, even to oppositional ideas. Anything less would be hypocritical. This courageous stance is to be admired.

I wonder, if the shoe was on the other foot, so to speak....would Patriarch Kyrill of the MP take the same stance? I think we all know the answer to that.

This sounded so glib and un-referenced for such a damning accusation that I looked for more information. Found another appraisal and context: How Russia Manipulates Data on Those Killed in the Armed Conflict in Eastern Ukraine [zaborona.com].

I see this as more Western BS from the lying media. If you want the other side of the story, from people with "boots on the ground" instead of an agenda, spend some time at this site on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=redacted+site

If this doesn't come out correctly, the site is "Redacted" and the journalists there are after truth . . . not agendas, especially by the One - Worldist elites. Honestly, anything that any Western mainstream press or anyone connected with them would say I almost always believe they are lying.

Thanks for the reference; best to hear both sides.

In March, 2022, in the U.N., 141 countries voted to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
In October, 2022, 143 countries voted to condemn Russia's annexation of four Ukrainian territories as illegal.
Both votes represented unheard of majorities.

Pope Francis has condemned Russia's actions.
Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew has condemned Russia's actions.

The Free World is making every attempt to stop Russia's aggressions through military, economic and moral support.

Yet there are always some who would believe that the words and actions of Putin are righteous and that his totalitarian hold on the Russian press results in the truth.

More important than all that is the fact that thugs, spured on by Russia's seazure of Crimea in 2014, ramsacked government buildings in these regions, threw out legitimate officials and proclaimed an indepedent state of their own. That this is the territory of a sovereign state made little difference to the Russian "volunteers" who crossed the border to aide their brothers in this illegitimate and totally militaristic effort to subvert Ukraine. Language? Did the Soviet Union ever try to supress Ukrainian? Please. The Russian line is, was and always has been a lie. 143 countries know this and so does the legitimate world press.

You are so deluded and full of it is difficult to read anything you write anymore. You speak of conspiracies in the West yet eat up any pro-Russian drivel you can dig up.

With all due respect to your ordination as a deacon, you have drunk the Kool Aid from the West and NATO. A deacon, of all people, should be better than to believe lies and falsehoods. I gave a link above to actual journalists who are interviewing people who have "Boots on the Ground" in Ukraine. What they are saying is 180 degrees from what the Western press is telling gullible people like you. I cannot highly enough urge you to listen to alternative sources of investigative journalism instead of the lying scum that infest our Western press.

I am a caseworker and have interviewed face to face refugees fleeing from Putin’s war crimes. You have fallen down the rabbit-hole of the far right where white is black and good is evil.

Members of the UOC-MP have been found complicit in military and political chicanery during this genocidal war by Russia on Ukraine.

Those members should and must be arrested and taken out of commission - returned to Russia perhaps.

It is also time for Byzantine and Roman Catholic Americans to wake up to the political realities being perpetrated by the Moscow Patriarchate, before and now.

It is a major problem for worldwide Orthodoxy which will only be resolved by the Russian Orthodox church at some future time when it will be able to cleanse itself of the FSB tinge.

What I also find deeply offensive is how some talk about the Russian invasion in terms of a conflict of Russia vs the West - as if the Ukrainian people aren't present in the whole ugly situation.

They ARE present and they are fighting for their existence right now. Happily the West is helping them overcome the evil that has befallen them.

There can be no peace without truth and justice - and reparation by Russia to Ukraine for some time to come.

Not to mention members of ROCOR, the Orthodox Church of America and the Polish Orthodox Church (the latter two Churches have a significant number of members who are of Ukrainian descent, yet I'm unaware of any protests).
Also, these three Churches have yet to recognize the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

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Members of the UOC-MP have been found complicit in military and political chicanery during this genocidal war by Russia on Ukraine.

Those members should and must be arrested and taken out of commission - returned to Russia

Alex,

Not "perhaps." The problem with our free, open societies in Canada, the US, and the West is that we allow Fifth Columns to openly operate within our midst. We do not "round up" those who openly or covertly work to undermine us. This is to our detriment at the same time it is to our credit that we have this openness and work to keep it that way.

OTOH, we have had times when national security has moved us to trample on our own principles. The U S did that to our Japanese-American citizens during WW2, for example. But remember that was a time when our very survival was at stake. So, too, in Ukraine today. Those who adhere to the UOC-MP and who tolerate their clergy doing this undermining of the nation should be glad I'm not there. If I were and if I were in charge of such actions, I would round up those caught in subversive activities--clergy first--and ship them off to the Russian Federation. And for those in the Donbas, I would ask why, if they so want to be part of the Russian Federation, they would not just move there rather than try to undermine a sovereign nation.