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I'm sorry I have been out of the loop for so long to have missed this fascinating thread!
Prayers for a common Easter date beginning, hopefully, after next year. Hopefully too - a common Nicene Creed in its original text (I won't use the "F" word).
Certainly, Constantinople or at least the Ecumenical patriarch (Many years!) believes the time has come to proclaim formal Communion between the Churches. Symbols are important as are symbolic gestures so if these take place next year - let's just keep our fingers crossed shall we?
Perhaps Rome could also formally proclaim Sts Gregory Palamas and Photios the Great as Doctors of the universal Church . . .that would be good too!
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Synodica V (Chambésy - Genève, Les Editions du Centre Orthodoxe, 1981) referenced by the Aleppo Statement, Towards a Common Date of Easter (TCDE), is entirely devoted to the calendar issue on a number of levels, not just the technical, astronomical. It is available as a pdf-download, 3.8MB, SYNODHIKA_5.pdf [ google.com]. It reveals that consideration was given to adoption of the Gregorian Calendar, and TCDE2025 should reexamine and reevaluate this option. It seems there is very little if any initiative by the Catholic Church in advocating the calendar and Paschalion that it initiated. To the extent this is so it is very unfortunate: the inability or unwillingness of the Catholic Church to offer a real service to the truth by standing up for and presenting the advantages and legitimacy of the Gregorian reform of 1582 and its calendar and Paschalion. The journey begun at Nicaea in 325 could properly, that is in the spirit and details of the Nicaean norm accepted by all, end with the adoption of the Gregorian Paschalion in 2025. This is not just idle talk, hyperbole, triumphalism or flamboyant rhetoric. It is eminently defendable and the Catholic Church should be taken to task for not advocating the Gregorian approach on its own merits, at least for the present and some considerable future time. The study Proceedings of the Vatican Conference to commemorate its 400th Anniversary, 1582-1982 [ casinapioiv.va] should have a prominent place in the deliberations of TCDE2025. Why should the Catholic Church advocate more strongly for the Gregorian calendar and Paschalion, especially as discussions approach for a common date of Easter in 2025? Could adopting the Gregorian Paschalion honor the spirit of the Nicaean Council?
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Christ is in our midst!!
John Steve,
Have you not read the complete thread on this point? The Gregorian calendar corrected the misalignment of the calendar with the actual changing of seasons. It is probably the best alignment with the intention of the Fathers of Nicaea.
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Synodica V (Chambésy - Genève, Les Editions du Centre Orthodoxe, 1981) referenced by the Aleppo Statement, Towards a Common Date of Easter (TCDE), is entirely devoted to the calendar issue on a number of levels, not just the technical, astronomical. It is available as a pdf-download, 3.8MB, SYNODHIKA_5.pdf [ google.com]. It reveals that consideration was given to adoption of the Gregorian Calendar, and TCDE2025 should reexamine and reevaluate this option. It seems there is very little if any initiative by the Catholic Church in advocating the calendar and Paschalion that it initiated. To the extent this is so it is very unfortunate: the inability or unwillingness of the Catholic Church to offer a real service to the truth by standing up for and presenting the advantages and legitimacy of the Gregorian reform of 1582 and its calendar and Paschalion. The journey begun at Nicaea in 325 could properly, that is in the spirit and details of the Nicaean norm accepted by all, end with the adoption of the Gregorian Paschalion in 2025. This is not just idle talk, hyperbole, triumphalism or flamboyant rhetoric. It is eminently defendable and the Catholic Church should be taken to task for not advocating the Gregorian approach on its own merits, at least for the present and some considerable future time. The study Proceedings of the Vatican Conference to commemorate its 400th Anniversary, 1582-1982 [ casinapioiv.va] should have a prominent place in the deliberations of TCDE2025. Why should the Catholic Church advocate more strongly for the Gregorian calendar and Paschalion, especially as discussions approach for a common date of Easter in 2025? Could adopting the Gregorian Paschalion honor the spirit of the Nicaean Council? (Chambésy - Genève, Les Editions du Centre Orthodoxe, 1981) is the report of the Congress for the Examination of the Question of a Common Celebration of Easter by All Christians on the Same Sunday – Minutes and Texts; 152 pages. Three Orthodox astronomers did calculations that were reported at that Congress, June 28-July 3, 1977. Only one of the thee attended and presented at that Congress, Prof. Georges Contopoulos. Here is an excerpt from his presentation, p 55: The conclusion is that the present calculation of the date of Easter by the Orthodox Church is not in accordance with the letter of the 1st Ecumenical Synod. It is not even in accordance with its spirit, which is to have all Christians celebrate Easter on the same day.
Now, what solutions can be proposed? The obvious solution is to follow immediately the Gregorian calendar. This has two obvious advantages:
a) It is in close agreement with the rule established by the 1st Ecumenical Synod, and
b) Easter will be celebrated the same Sunday by all Christians.
However, this solution has also some difficulties. I will not discuss the difficulties arising from any change introduced in the Church, due to the traditionalistic attitude of many people. This problem is for you [ajk:the bishops etc.] to discuss and solve …
I conclude my report … The calculation of the Orthodox Easter should be corrected as soon as possible. One possibility is to follow the present Gregorian Calendar …
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I've been wanting to do an update of calendar news and Nicaea conferences. In October 2024 I submitted an article A Common Easter: Is there an alternative to the Aleppo Proposal? [ academia.edu] to Public Orthodoxy [ publicorthodoxy.org] as a follow-up to the May 1, 2024 article Preparing the Orthodox for the Date of Pascha [ publicorthodoxy.org] by Fr. Anthony Roeber. I eventually withdrew it and then was told (with a kind apology) that I had not been informed that they had 'found the discussion generally a bit too "advanced" for our typical readership...' (I took note that they did not tell me to modify it.) Public Orthodoxy is a ' “public-facing” initiative of the Orthodox Christian Studies Center [ fordham.edu]. On March 20, 2025, Dr. George Demacopoulos of Fordham will speak on Nicea and the Challenge of a Common Day for Easter [ publicorthodoxy.org] at Stockton University. Hopefully his talk will be recorded and made available. There are two upcoming international conferences, both in Rome. Nicaea and the Church of the Third Millennium [ iota-web.org] 4-7 June 2025. Nicaea 2025: Context, Event, and Reception [ angelicum.it] April 2 - April 5, 2025. I submitted an abstract for the April conference that was accepted. Abstract I consider the development of the "Nicaean Norm" for Pascha from its biblical prototype, through its development and application in the Julian and Gregorian Paschalia, to the recent proposal in the WCC's Aleppo statement. This is an overview of the theology and technology that enters into the Church Calendar and the essential criteria for a common observance of Easter. A new approach is proposed that bridges the historical gap between the traditional method of computus and the detailed astronomical approach (as reported in Synodica V, Chambésy - Genève, Les Editions du Centre Orthodoxe, 1981.) As of now I'll be speaking (one of the numerous 25 min. breakout talks) on April 3. I'll report here on how it goes.
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