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Dear brethren,

I have often heard this saint referred to by Catholics and Orthodox. He is held in great esteem for his monastic writings. However, I recently learned that he was a bishop of the Church of the East, which is historically "Nestorian." Correct?

Now that Rome and the Church of the East have come to an understanding regarding Christology, I can understand how Catholics take a very charitable approach to St Isaac the Syrian. However, I cannot understand how Orthodox people venerate him since he was a bishop of a "heretic" and "schismatic" church. As far as I know, the Orthodox have not made any ecumenical overtures to the "Nestorians." Please correct me. I'd LOVE to know that I'm wrong.

Could someone please explain to me how St Isaac the Syrian became "canonized" in Orthodox culture despite his ecclesiastical affiliation.

Also, would St Isaac have refused to refer to the Blessed Mother as "Theotokos" (being so-called Nestorian and all)?

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Dear Taylor,

Excellent questions!

I was reading Issac's "on the Ascetical Life" early in the Lenten period, but as usual, I wandered to other things. SVS Press published this translation and commentary on his works. I'll check the introduction and see what comments were made.

In Christ,
Andrew

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Dear Marshall,

Then let me be the first to make your day and say that you are most definitely wrong! smile

St Isaac of Nineveh has long been honoured as a saint by both RC's and Orthodox as a great spiritual writer.

He was most definitely of the East Syrian tradition. And we know that he was consecrated bishop in an area where there was only the hierarchy of the Assyrian Church of the East.

But, from his writings, we know there was no "Nestorianism" about him and that he never got involved in the Christological controversies about the Person of Christ.

Was the Assyrian Church of the East ever truly "Nestorian?"

Today we can say "no."

Part of the ongoing theological discussion between the Assyrians and the Chaldean Catholics is the recognition of the orthodoxy of the ancient term "Christotokos" or "Bearer of Christ."

That did not deny that the Virgin Mary bore God Incarnate, even though the Byzantine/Oriental Orthodox side did interpret it to mean that.

The Byzantine liturgy itself sings of the "Mother of Christ our God" and "Mother of Christ."

Rome has declared that "Christotokos" and "Theotokos" both express the SAME theology of the Divine Incarnation and both can be used etc.

Nestorius himself denied he was a Nestorian smile .

That whole conflict was really a struggle for theological and ecclesial ascendancy between the schools and Churches of Antioch and Alexandria.

Alexandria emphasized the oneness of the Divine Person (which is how it understood "Physis" which could be understood and was so by the Greeks as - "Nature") of Christ that SEEMED to suggest His Humanity was "taken over" by it (Monophysitism).

Antioch emphasized the two Natures of Christ, Divine and Human which it affirmed using the term "Prosopon" which can mean "Person" as well, since there was a whole issue about separating "Person" from "Nature" etc.

Byzantium tended to side with Alexandria in the conflict, while Rome tended to side with Antioch (which later led some Oriental Orthodox teachers to view Rome as having "Nestorian" tendencies or being "Dyophysite" which, for them, meant the same thing).

After the East Syrian Church was excommunicated for its "Nestorianism," it moved eastward into Persia, Mesopotamia, India, Tibet, China and Mongolia.

The Roman-Byzantine Church and the Oriental Miaphysite Churches regarded it as formally heretical, even though no one denied the validity of its sacraments, Episcopacy and essential Orthodoxy apart from its official Christological position - which was, again, interpreted as heretical by the rest of the Church.

The historians may argue this point. But there were many monks, theologians and saints of the East Syrian tradition for whom this entire controversy seems to have largely escaped their notice. It didn't prevent them from producing perfectly Orthodox and luminous works of spirituality and devotion, as in St Isaac's case.

And when portions of the Assyrian Church of the East came into communion with Rome or else Russian Orthodoxy or even Oriental Orthodoxy, these saints honoured in their calendars continued to be so honoured by these assorted Assyrian "uniates" (minus, of course, those perceived as the "originators of Nestorianism" such as Nestorius, Theodore of Mopsuestia and Diodore of Tarsus, but this can be reexamined again).

Something similar occurred with the Oriental Orthodox and the Roman-Byzantine ecclesial orbit. (he Georgian Orthodox Church was formerly Oriental Orthodox, but when it united with Byzantine Orthodoxy, it kept all its Oriental Saints, even those who were attacked by Byzantine Orthodox theologians as "heretics" e.g. St David of Garesja).

For example, in addition to new conclusions about the whole "Miaphysite/Monophysite" issue, we know that the condemnation of the Alexandrian Trisagion - where the words were added "Who was crucified for us, Who rose from the dead, etc." by St Peter Mongus of Alexandria - was unnecessary as these words were not "heretical" at all.

In fact, those Oriental Churches have always regarded the Trisagion to be a hymn to Christ alone and not to the entire Trinity!

In addition, saints and martyrs who were, in fact, Arians, made it into the universal calendars of the Catholic and Orthodox churches, notwithstanding their formal implication with the Arian heresy - which really IS a heresy wink .

The Arians still had valid sacraments and their saints were still saints (barring Arius and some other pro-Arian bishops - in fact, Arius was listed in the Roman calendar as a saint under June 6 for centuries until the Bollandists realized that "St Artotis" was none other than the ancient heretic.

St Nicetas the Goth, St Sava the Stratelate and his 70 warrior-martyrs and St Artemius of Egypt are all honoured in the Catholic and Orthodox calendars - and yet they were all Arians.

St Basil the Great even wrote a panegyric in honour of St Nicetas as a great martyr of Christ . . .

Their martyrdom led the Church to overlook the defect of their Orthodoxy, as Fr. Holweck discusses in his "Dictionary of Saints."

Fr. Holweck also notes that even the lives of the anti-popes were read by Catholics for purposes of their inspirational value . . .

And even though the Celtic Christian traditions were condemned at the Synod of Whitby in the 8th century, and a number of Celtic Fathers refused to submit to the changes and so left for northern Scotland - this did not prevent them from being honoured as saints by the Roman Church and even praised for their great devotion, continual prayer and constant study of the scriptures.

There were, however, in the early Church groups of wild gnostic sects who had their own saints and martyrs. The Church absolutely forbade its members the veneration of such and they could never be considered for inclusion in the Church's calendar.

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Dear Alex,

You are the man! Consider me giving your feet a cyber-washing on this Holy Maundy Thursday!

Thanks for the helpful history of "heretic" saints. I hope that the baptized in every communion can look past the past and come to such a charitable position. I'm not advocating apathy toward doctrinal orthodoxy, but not every schism was created out of pure motives for truth.

Mandatum novum do vobis ut diligatis invicem.
"A new commandment I give you, that you love one another."

St Isaac of Syria, pray for us,
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Dear Marshall,

I even honour Anglican saints, as you know! wink

My favourite is Blessed Nicholas Ferrar who perfectly reflected in his community at Little Gidding the strictest Eastern monastic practice of the Thebaid in praying the 12 psalms at the turn of each hour, so that the entire Psalter was prayed through TWICE in every 24 hours!

King Charles the Martyr was to have remarked to his RC Queen Henrietta (doubtless with some satisfaction wink ) that the community at Little Gidding "puts to shame the strictest Roman Catholic monastic order!"

Happy Easter!

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Yes, we have celebrated St Nicholas Ferrar in our prayers during Matins on December 1. Here is the prayer:

Lord God, make us so reflect thy perfect love; that, with thy deacon Nicholas Ferrar and his household, we may rule ourselves according to thy Word, and serve thee with our whole heart; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, for ever and ever.

Picture of Deacon Nicholas Ferrar:
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in Christ,
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Dear Marshall,

What is the Anglican practice regarding the use of "Saint" and "Blessed" then?

I'm confused . . .

That is the picture I have framed and in colour that is near my desk as I write this . . . smile

Happy Easter!

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Dear Alex,

Technically for Anglicans, "Saints" are only those saints who are mentioned in Scripture or were major figures in the first five centuries. E.g. St John Chrysostom, or St Lawrence are listed as "Saints," but King Edward the Confessor or Agnes are not listed as "Saints" in the 1662 BCP even though both appear all of them appear on the Calendar. However, it is the custom of more modern Anglicans to prefix "St" unto any person canonized by other jurisidictions except when the reasons are obvious (e.g. St Thomas More). Also most Anglicans will prefix to "St" to most Christians on the Anglican calendar. This would include folks like George Herbert, and even John Wesley.

Alex, I've noticed that you have somewhat of an Anglophile appreciation for our saints (Charles I, Nicholas Ferrar, John Wesley). Do you have any English blood or is it because England is one of the last vestiges of monarchy? smile

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Dear Marshall,

O.K., O.K., I'll admit it - I'm an Anglophile!

I've also always loved the Anglican tradition and all your saints, from Britain, Africa, North America, wherever!

But being a monarchist doesn't help when it comes to an overarching bias in favour of British saints!

And our St Mstislav of Kyiv is the son of St Vladimir Monomachos (recently glorified in Russia) and his wife, Gytha, the daughter of King Harold of Hastings.

Mstislav's second baptismal was . . ."Harold."

As I'm distantly related to that line, I guess you could say I have some English blood in me, if only a trickle . . . smile

I even have an "Anglican Rosary" with four groups of seven beads, separated by another . . .

And I like the KJV of the Bible.

There, you made me 'fess up!

Vivat Anglicana Ecclesia!

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Dear Marshall,

I did check the introduction to the SVS Press' version of St. Issac's "On the Ascetical Life." The commentary indicated that there was some type of contradiction between Issac and the bishop who consecrated him. This conflict is never explained explicitly, but is alluded to by contemporary commentators. It may or may not have had to do with the "Nestorian" controversy.

Issac resigned his see after 5 months or 5 years (I've forgotten) in order to pursue the ascetical life less encumbered by this controversy, whatever it was.

A blessed Holy Week to you.

In Christ,
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Dear Reader Andrew,

I think my explanation is better than that of St Vladimir's . . . smile smile

A blessed Holy Week to you and your family!

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Pope Franics has announced that St. Isaac of Nineveh will be included in the official Roman Martyrology: Pope: Christians in Middle East bear witness in lands martyred by war [vaticannews.va]

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Hello everyone!
Would St Isaac not have already been commemorated, and considered a saint, at least by the Chaldean Church?
It is my understanding that when churches came into communion with Rome they would maintain the saints they commemorated in the Church from which they split, bar any who actively promoted or defended anything Rome considered heretical.
Thanks!
Filipe


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