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Isnt he just blessing the individuals and not the relationship though???
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Pd1989,
Welcome to the forum.
In answer to your post, the document and the "official" explanations would seem to support the idea that the "blessings" are for individuals. However, when two people in a relationship come forward together, the optics would indicate otherwise. In other news, the German Catholic Church has been pretending to bless homosexual couples for some time now and they do not split hairs over it. They are all in for it.
In our own country, there is a report that a parish in the diocese of Lexington, KY, is blessing couples by appointment. Does that sound like individuals to you? There was a picture posted online of the first such event. The priest wore a stole and the "blessing" was in church, both things that Fiducia Supplicans says are not to happen.
If it looks like a duck, it waddles like a duck, and if it quacks like a duck, I'm sure it's a duck. What we seem to have here is people pushing the envelope, confusing the Faithful, and putting us all in the position of having to explain to our brethren in other Churches who still uphold the traditional condemnation of homosexual relationships what has suddenly changed in the Catholic Church and why. Three years ago, we were told that the Church could never bless these relationships, whether straight or LGBT.
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Glory be to Jesus Christ!! I just found this article. It seems that the fight over Fiducia Supplicans continues even if the MSM will not report it. Cardinal Sarah calls African Catholic scholars to ‘take over’ after Western ‘ideological contamination.’ CV NEWS FEED // In a conference delivered to priests, religious, and lay students of theology in Cameroon, Cardinal Robert Sarah warned the African Catholic academic world against the “diseases” that Western actors are trying to impose worldwide and encouraged African Catholics to “take over” after the collapse of European Christianity.
Sarah, the former prefect of the Vatican’s Dicastery for Divine Worship, delivered the conference titled “The Vocation of a Catholic University in Light of the Teachings of Benedict XVI” at Cameroon’s Saint-Cyprien Theological School in the Diocese of Obala in April. The full conference was published this week in its original French by La Nef (“The Nave”), an independent French Catholic magazine.
During the conference, Sarah extensively quoted Pope Benedict XVI’s writings regarding the true character of a Catholic university. The cardinal explained that “the sense of truth is the cornerstone that must underlie any solid culture. Without the search for truth, there is no foundation. Everything becomes fluid.”
“This is a crucial issue for the future of Africa. I urge you not only to seek the truth but to love it passionately!” he said.
The Guinean cardinal specifically warned African academics to be “wary of being contaminated by the intellectual diseases that the West wishes to impose. The West fears the search for truth. For many Westerners, truth has become an unmentionable term.”
“If you speak of truth,” he said, “you are accused of dogmatism and oppression. But behind these deceptive discourses lies the violence of the dictatorship of relativism, which often masks unspoken financial and material interests.”
“Therefore, it is crucial that your university, which is entirely at the service of truth, be openly and proudly Catholic,” he added.
The connection between faith and culture
Sarah also highlighted that “faith and culture are indissolubly linked. Where man seeks God with integrity, culture flourishes, sciences develop, and civilization becomes more refined.”
“European academics have forgotten this,” he noted. “And their voluntary amnesia sterilizes their culture, which now revels in the ugliness of certain contemporary art or questions its most solid foundations through ‘woke’ ideology.”
“Your generation of African academics must take over!” he exhorted:
By studying under God’s gaze, you will highlight the foundations of all authentic civilization: the difference between man and woman, respect for the elderly. You will rid yourselves of the dictatorship of deadly gender theories and the LGBT lobby, which, under the pretext of liberation, seek to impose their delusion.
“Do not be afraid!” the Sarah concluded:
I repeat to you: you will only be able to respond to the demands of truth and justice if you welcome Christ and let Him illuminate your intelligence, your studies, and your life. You will only be able to serve Africa if you open wide the doors of your universities to Christ. God bless Cardinal Sarah!
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This is a dichotomy all western churches seem to be experiencing. The "Global South" leadership in all major church, be it Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, or others, appear to be the primary defenders of orthodoxy, whereas their western counterparts are either totally compromised or, in the case of orthodox Westerners, outnumbered.
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Christ is in our midst!! I just ran across an article in the Washington Post related to Cardinal Fernandez, the head of the Catholic Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. I have lifted out a line that seems to explain what he is about in the Pope's name and seems to hint at the direction they both want to go. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...86c9cf504e4dfebe1a4deb7ae6f435&ei=73(Cardinal Fernandez) left open the door to a recasting of official church teaching — or catechism — that states homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”
“All subjects can be refined,” he said. “And the language we use can always be much better. In this way there is a chance of greater clarity.”
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(Cardinal Fernandez) left open the door to a recasting of official church teaching — or catechism — that states homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”
“All subjects can be refined,” he said. “And the language we use can always be much better. In this way there is a chance of greater clarity.” "Clarity" - the traditional position sure is unclear, isn't it?
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"Clarity" is the smoke screen for redefining to either obscure or reverse the original meaning. IMHO
What His Eminence does not say--or perhaps does not know or remember--is that Pope St. John Paul 2 commissioned the Catechism of the Catholic Church to spell out precisely what the Catholic Church believed, believes, and will always believe. He did it within the confusing era following the Second Vatican Council when everyone and his brother were making statements about what the Church taught--or they thought it should have taught, causing a great deal of confusion. The thought behind the CCC was to stop the confusion once and for all time. There were even people who thought that his final--second--edition would stand the test of time as did the Catechism of the Council of Trent (400 years).
Apparently, no such luck.
Seems we are reverting to an age of confusion and the very relativism that Pope Benedict warned about on the eve of the Conclave in which he was elected pope.
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I just came across an article in an Anglican news source that mentions that fact that 19 pairs of Catholic and Anglican bishops were commissioned to do the same sort of joint "missionary work" that has just been mentioned in an earlier post. It was in 2016. I wonder why no Catholic source mentions these two events. Could it be that it is too radical for Catholics to accept? The Anglican Ordinariate people are reportedly furious over this since two of the pairs have a woman "bishop" included.
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Has anyone else noticed that an issue becomes a non-issue when the officials who are called out simply ignore it? And continue to do so? And bring other irrelevant issues to the fore to divert attention away from what is important?
The issue is still this: since when has "gravely depraved, perverted lust" become the same as love?
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The issue is still this: since when has "gravely depraved, perverted lust" become the same as love? It happened around the time that deportation of migrants became the moral equivalent of abortion on demand: Rejecting migrants is as bad as abortion, says Pope on flight to Rome [ catholicherald.co.uk]. As bad as those moral teachings are, the most disturbing to me coming from Pope Francis is: On whether it can ever be morally licit for a Catholic to vote for a pro-choice candidate, Pope Francis urged Catholics to vote no matter what.
“In political morality, in general they say that if you don’t vote, it’s not good, it’s bad. You have to vote, and you have to choose the lesser evil. What is the lesser evil? That woman, or that man? So, by Papal pronouncement, Trump and Harris are evil -- not policies but persons. Evil walks the earth today in the form of two persons one of whom will become President of the United States.
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Christ is in our midst!! Here is a link to a statement by Bishop Athanasius Schneider of Astana, Kazakhstan. Bishop Schneider has an interesting pedigree. His ancestors were Alsatian Germans who emigrated to czarist Russia in the 19th century. He grew up under communism and his faith is tempered by the same kind of adherence to the timeless Faith as people who grew up under Islam in the Middle East. https://www.gloriadei.io/articles/declaration-fiducia-supplicans/
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There was a recent statement of the Italian Bishops Conference that states that men with a homosexual orientation will not be barred from the seminary going forward. The bishops state that this should not be a bar but be taken in context. Did these bishops not understand the clergy sexual abuse crisis? Are they not aware that another crisis may crop up in the future by opeing this door?
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