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I am aghast. In what sane universe do you get into this type of exchange with an ally? In what sane universe do kyou do this in front of the TV cameras and the press? In what sane universe do you think a deal for rare earth minerals will ever get done with Ukraine? In what sane universe does anyone think a deal with the Russians will ever hold up when they guaranteed years ago that they would not start a war like they did?
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Connected some dots a few weeks ago: Musk and Theil are involved in the underground of all this and have been for years. Musk is connected to South African apartheid money through his emerald mine owning father. Musks grandparents on his mother's side left Canada before WWII because Canada was not racist enough for them, they emigranted to South Africa. Peter Theil, JD Vance's invisible arm, has grandparents who were openly Nazi from Germany. They left Germany for a Namibian Nazi reconstructionist town called Swakopmund and later South Africa: https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=36008Vance dropping his Haitians lie was no accident or mistake, straight out of the Theil playbook. Lying and morality don't matter to Theil, only power and perception
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Stop buying into the Democrat lies:
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened. Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
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Some context and as a reflection on attire, thanks and respect. Zelenskyy's Full Address To Congress [ youtube.com] Dec. 21, 2022 Volodymyr Zelensky: Thank you so much. Thank you so much for that. Thank you. It’s too much for me. All this for our great people. Thank you so much.
Dear Americans, in all states, cities and communities, all those who value freedom and justice, who cherish it as strongly as we Ukrainians in our cities, in each and every family, I hope my words of respect and gratitude resonate in each American heart. [ nytimes.com] As for President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelenskyy in Oval Office, Feb. 28, 2025 [ youtube.com]: The total time was 49:21 and it should be seen and evaluated in its entirety. Reporting sensationalizes this with out-of-context excerpts of around 5 of the last 10 minutes followed by "detailed analysis" (spare me). At 39:44 JD Vance unfortunately and inappropriately interjected himself. Unfortunately but appropriately Zelenskyy asked Vance if he could ask him a question. After the question, Vance answered appropriately and then, unnecessarily, escalated the exchange with accusations and criticisms and demands. Trump just sat there and then, rather than the wise father, negotiator and deal broker, arrogantly joined Vance. One of the more mindless parrotings from the press is that Zelenskyy "didn't read the room." If he did, the read was "outnumbered." Even so (in this instance and apart from politics) Zelenskyy was a credit to his country whereas Trump and Vance were not to theirs. And the world suffers.
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There's no way to spin this as a Trump 10D chess move. He's not that bright, never was. He didn't sue Wharton in order to prevent his academic record release because he was #1 in his class.
The idea that Trump is so smart and he's in godmode is so ludicrous that it's laughable to even read
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There's no way to spin this as a Trump 10D chess move. He's not that bright, never was. He didn't sue Wharton in order to prevent his academic record release because he was #1 in his class.
The idea that Trump is so smart and he's in godmode is so ludicrous that it's laughable to even read **** [Quote- Edward H] However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened. **** And may I please add that telling us what we "believed we witnessed" and " what actually happened" is getting a little old. We "believed we witnessed" a candidate lose an election, but what "actually happened" is that he won. We "believed we witnessed" thugs attacking our democracy and policemen, but what "actually happened" were patriots at a peaceful demonstration. The list goes on..... We know what we witnessed, the free world knows what it witnessed.
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You know, one of the difficulties many of us have is that we don't know what is really going on in Ukraine. I wish we had better and more accurate sources of factual information instead of sound bites from the press.
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Edward H:
Brilliantly put. I think that those who think Trump is not bright enough to pull off the manuever that Edward H has psoed truly under estimate our current POTUS.
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