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I found an anti-catholic site [ biblelightinfo.com](probably SDA) that says the pope claims to be lord/God in some writings. How do we Catholics response to these claims?
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" . . . dominum nostrum papam . . ."
" . . . our lord the pope . . . " (translation)
"Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam"
Wenura Ravindu,
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I read Latin and the insertion of "God" in the text is dishonest. The original text and the parts taken out to be more clear in current script DO NOT insert the word "God" or "god" at all. This is just an anti-Catholic smear tactic used by some Evangelical Christians.
In the time that this text was written, it would have been normal to use the term "Lord" or "lord" for a bishop in Western practice. In fact, there is a current Anglican usage where a bishop in the English Church is addressed--when speaking to him/her personally--as "My Lord, Bishop."
In the text cited, a reference is made to "Our Lord (the) Pope." It is a matter of ecclesial good manners related to the time period.
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Additional comment: I went back to the site and looked at the three citations. The first two are in black print on white paper and appear to be legitimate sources. They also confirm my explanation above. The third is a red background. It appears to me to be some sort of forgery by someone not adept at the Latin language. The site explanation claims that the references to the Pope are abbreviated, but I don't buy it.
Last edited by theophan; 09/14/22 05:06 PM. Reason: Another look at the linked site.
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Thank you for having me in here and for the explanation
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How do we Catholics response to these claims? I would go with, "hysterical laughter."
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The original manuscript Vat.lat.1397 at the vatican library from the 14th century contains all words including "Dominum Deum nostrum papam" and the corrected roman editions in 1582 and 1584 also contain the gloss with full wording as well.
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The original manuscript Vat.lat.1397 at the vatican library from the 14th century contains all words including "Dominum Deum nostrum papam"... What page? Manuscript - Vat.lat.1397 [ digi.vatlib.it]
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Folio 166 V, upper left column, 6th line down from the top.
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I found it interesting that, among other links available on a certain page of the site (they are links to Catholic sites), there are two addresses to very interesting pages, Catholic Biblical Apologetics and Biblical Evidence For Catholicism.
May Our Lady, Mother of Christian Unity, help us in the face of criticism and persecution.
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The original manuscript Vat.lat.1397 at the vatican library from the 14th century contains all words including "Dominum Deum nostrum papam" and the corrected roman editions in 1582 and 1584 also contain the gloss with full wording as well. I do not see a gloss in 1397 just the wording of the text itself. Folio 166 V, upper left column, 6th line down from the top. I see it but what do you see? Please transcribe the line in question? It would be helpful to give a simple transcription and then also with the sigla expanded.
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