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Those bullies also hold many Novus Ordo Catholics in the same esteem.

But it is true that, more and more, I see our UGCC people as Orthodox in every which way with only a "grudging" acknowledgement of a certain administrative role for the pope.

But if Rome wants to excommunicate us and throw us out so that we would go and unite with our Orthodox brothers and sisters . . .

Who are we to argue with the See of St Peter?

Alex

You've got to be kidding aboutEastern Catholic/Orthodox rivalry.
Here in Northeastern Pennsylvania we treat each other as brothers and sisters in Christ.

Don't you just love ignorance? Reminds me of my move to the town I live in and a conversation with a teacher, then just retired, about the grammar situation in the local newspaper. When I suggested that she might get a job there correcting grammar and syntax, she told me "I don't have enough years left in my life to get that done."

I fear that neither do we have enough time to get the kind of ignorance displayed by some overcome. But we keep on trying with a smile.

Bob

Not kidding, but I should stress that I was mostly referring to experiences I've had electronically. Eastern Catholics with flesh and blood, that I've seen, have been quite fair-minded toward our Orthodox brethren.

There is one thing that is missing here and that is that EC's and Orthodox are also delineated by their own national Particular Churches.

Ukrainian EC's and Orthodox (EP, KP and Autocephalous - including not a few of those who are MP) have never been on better terms - this is what Pavloosh means.

When it comes to the MP, that is a different story and has NOTHING to do with religious differences.

As we have seen the UOC-MP Primate has given broad permission for his priests and bishops to stop commemorating the Moscow Patriarch to avoid what he himself referred to as "the outrage of the faithful."

One of the difficulties North American EC's and Orthodox have with this is that we just don't understand those issues and how deeply runs that national divide.

Alex

That not usual fr in most of our conservative Confessional lutheran churches
We practice closed communion and ask if you are not a member to speak to the pastor before hand frankly I agree with that and we practice not praying with people outside of our synods because we feel pray is a form of worship
And don’t you agree if a couple come to you to get married one of them must be a member of the church in good standing before you marry them

If the Eastern Catholic is one of the 14 Byzantine rite Churches than to be anti Orthodox is self refuting. Any refutation of Holy Orthodoxy is a refutation of Byzantine Catholicism. Orthodoxy is our Mother Church and where we belong and where God calls us to be. I will never understand how so many in our churches are ok with all the latinization in our liturgy, theology, ecclesiology, etc. We need bold Bishops who are willing to assert our own church's authority and kick Rome out of our affairs entirely. Our synods will appoint our own Bishops with no permission or approval being sought from Rome. That's not needed. Rome is not above the Byzantine Catholic Churches. We are in communion with Rome and Rome is in communion with us. Our Churches are equal. We must stop affirming, even if it's just on paper, the heresy of papal supremacy (something which Rome herself no longer believes in given the Ravenna, Chieti and Alexandria documents and the general direction of Pope Francis' pontificate).