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Of course, if someone is being hurt or abused, it is our duty to do something. But, if all that is happening is priests being asked to disclose their sexuality, regardless of what it may be, I feel it is none of my business nor anyone elses.

Dmitri

"What in the hell does this thread have to do with Byzantine Faith and Worship? What is its relation or significance to the liturgical and spiritual life of the Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Churches? These are RC seminaries and seminarians.

Why does this tired old subject keep being brought up? No one ever offers any constructive advice or opinions, just tired old rhetoric from both sides of the issue. In my opinion, leave these problems to the bishops, the Pope and God to fix, I'm sure they all three know more than the rest of us combined. Don

"What in the hell does this thread have to do with Byzantine Faith and Worship? What is its relation or significance to the liturgical and spiritual life of the Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Churches? These are RC seminaries and seminarians."

I agree. For some reason, we do seem to get on this subject pretty often. It seems we often get into areas that have little or nothing to do with the Byzantine Catholic Church. It makes you wonder if this is the "Byzantine, Orthodox, Roman, Universalist, Ecumenical Forum." I, for one, have given up caring what the Roman Rite does. It will have to deal with its own problems in its own seminaries. I don't look for the Roman Rite to ever ask us Byzantines how do handle anything. Of course, I think they could learn a lot from us.

Sorry for the semi-double posting. I have no idea how that happened!

"I don't look for the Roman Rite to ever ask us Byzantines how do handle anything. Of course, I think they could learn a lot from us."

Like what?

I think it is intersting how this topic upsets some people so much. Part of the problem might be that people just want to keep the issue in the "closet". If people were not so afraid to talk about this subject maybe we could find a solution.

Someone should try to get answers to very important questions like.....
Can an unrepentant gay, be a priest???
If the answer is YES, then I think as a parent I have a right to know about it if someone is gay. If the answer is NO, then I think as a parent I HAVE a right to know about it too!

I am saying that since a priest is a "public" person we have a right to know things that effect the education of our children.

I also think in only 1 hour a week a priest can have a big effect. You would be surprised how some church members thought punk style,colored and frosted hair was "cool" because our priest did it :-(. (suffer the little children :-()
A priest is a "role" model.

Dear jim58:

I hope you are not equating hairstyle with immorality. There are far worse things than a colored punk style haircut, unless the color was not according to the liturgical season .

As parents, our own sins have more of an impact upon our children than the sins of others no matter how public the individual may be.

At the height of the Clinton scandal, I don't think any of the Senators who voted for impeachment left the country because Clinton remained in office. I doubt any citizen of the USA left the country over this. Why not use the situation as a teaching moment for your sons.

Dear J Thur:

Dear J Thur:
The Roman Rite could learn a greater fidelity to Tradition from us, as well as, how to safeguard and treasure it. But the shortcomings of the Roman Rite are not my primary concern. The subject of homosexuality comes up on this forum, under one subject heading or another, on a steady basis. By now, we all know each other's positions on this issue. As for finding a solution, as some have mentioned, I don't even know if there is one. But I am sure that whatever solutions are proposed, someone will object. Another point is that this is a Byzantine Catholic Forum. Why are these issues relating to Roman Rite seminaries being posted here? Does this have anything at all to do with Byzantine Faith & Worship?

ByzanTn,

Of course it does. Not in theory but in reality. But with a new set of Bishops we may have finally found a group of bishops who will take a strong stand. We've been through this before. We know we had a major problem. It still exists but not at such a degree as a decade ago.

Dan Lauffer

byzanTN,


Don't tell me that you are that Naive to believe that if the problem exist in the Latin Churches seminaries it would not exist in the Eastern Rite seminaries.

First things first! After 1930 the Eastern Rite churches we NOT allowed to have married priest in North America. Therefore, both the Latin and eastern rite churches only had celibate candidates to the priesthood.

Secondly, both the eastern and western churches have been infected with the liberal garbage that is floating around today. One only has to look at some of the churches build after Vatican II but before Orientale Lumen to see this. I have seen many �liberal� Byzantine churches on the net and like my post on Church Architecture I posted my evidence for the correlation between �liberal� church architecture and �liberal� ideology (idiot logy). Therefore, I believe this post is VERY relevant to this forum. Finally, if the Byzantine Church was only 10 times bigger (size of the Latin) church I firmly believe that the media would have found similar problems with the church just like it did to the Latin Church. The small size of the Byzantine Church is the only reason why there is no �crisis� in the church right now!

This was not my quote, but was taken from someone else who accurately stated a position I happen to agree with. Yes there are problems in the seminaries, yes there are liberals in both the East and the West, and yes the problems are serious. But what is the solution? Is it something lay people can fix, or are the bishops the only ones who can do something about it? I plan to pray about it, but the solution is not up to me. I suspect that when God wants the mess cleaned up, he will raise-up the saints to do it.

What if you are the saint God is trying to raise up? Would you receive the call?

Dan Lauffer

With our currently active clergy, or with our seminarians? Which is it, Dan?