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Dear David of Carmel,
O.K., sorry! I'm not a theologian like you, Master David! What do I know?
It would be interesting to find out what the other objection is . . .
Do you get to wear a larger scapular at least?
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear David of Carmel,
O.K., sorry! I'm not a theologian like you, Master David! What do I know?
It would be interesting to find out what the other objection is . . .
Do you get to wear a larger scapular at least?
Alex Yeah right, me a theologian? Not quite... at least no where near your level. I get a scapular like everyone else can get. David, Byzantine Catholic and Carmelite pre-novice
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Again a tidbit, The documents in Vatican II clearly state that Latin & Gregorian Chant should be retained...but to what extent... I have many doubts regarding the liturgical changes, after all VII was pastoral in nature...I also own a 1959 missal...a all english version  so why the change...I guess they wanted to attract protestants...though at a steep cost. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck then... james
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Well, things are looking up anyway.
I suspect that when Pope Benedict frees the TLM, which I hope/think will be soon, and when he further advances the Reform of the Reform, the pace will pick up.
But we do have a generation of new, young priests who are orthodox and orthopraxical (probably not a word), and the attention given to both the TLM and the R of the R is gaining daily. It seems more and more parishes are finding out what it means to employ the "hermeneutics of continuity," judging Vatican II in light of 2000 years of Catholic Tradition and not as something separate or above our traditions.
I think we've crossed a corner, but we still have a long way to go.
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Originally posted by Teen Of The Incarnate Logos:
Well, things are looking up anyway.
I suspect that when Pope Benedict frees the TLM, which I hope/think will be soon, and when he further advances the Reform of the Reform, the pace will pick up.
Hmm ... and when was that supposed to happen, again? Seems like that news story that started this whole thread said it would happen over the Easter weekend. Nothing yet. Maybe on April 19th ... no, that's today, and nothing's happened. Maybe on Orthodox Easter? We'll just have to wait and see. 
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I welcome the T.R.F of T.R.F and a free T.L.M...but what are the current odds for both to be available in Los Angeles during the nxt 10 years... james
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Hi, [QUOTE]I welcome the T.R.F of T.R.F and a free T.L.M...but what are the current odds for both to be available in Los Angeles during the nxt 10 years... /QUOTE] Actually, if you go to the Archdiocese's website, you'll find several parishes where the TLM is celebrated regularly. In some cases, weekly (a parish in Ventura, at least). Yes, your commute will be awful but hey, you live in the LA metro area, your commute is awful most of the time. Shalom, Memo
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Hmm ... and when was that supposed to happen, again? Seems like that news story that started this whole thread said it would happen over the Easter weekend. Nothing yet. Theist Gal, It was not "supposed to happen" at any time. By far, the most speculative arena of this entire story was/is the date of the promulgation of any such document. Indeed, many people doubted the Holy Thursday/Easter weekend date from the beginning; to do such a thing would be liturgically inappropriate and destroy the somber mood of the Triduum. It would be pastorally inopportune to release it during those days. Again, the date was speculative. Maybe on Orthodox Easter? We'll just have to wait and see. You're funny (kind of). I highly doubt the above, Gal. I'd recommend checking out www.thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/ [ thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com] and www.rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/ [ rorate-caeli.blogspot.com] and educating yourself on the matter before posting any more snarky remarks. I don't understand why you seem to be against this; maybe you're just against the rumors, and you may well end up being right, but all the signs point in the opposite direction and the fact that it hasn't been done yet should be of no surprise to anyone. Have some hope and pray instead of trying to pick a fight with those who have been told continuously be reliable sources that something along these lines is imminent. Logos Teen
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Brother Memo,
Actually the closest Indult(every Sunday)is Rancho Cucamonga...but alas, I'm a retired semi geezer on the fixed $... been pondering attending at the Benedictine Abbey in Valyermo...but I would then want to be a oblate...so many options have suddenly came available...
How are your deacon classes going ?
Indeed, He is risen !
PAX
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Originally posted by Teen Of The Incarnate Logos:
By far, the most speculative arena of this entire story was/is the date of the promulgation of any such document. I was just referring back to the previous posts in this thread which first said, maybe over Easter, then maybe April 19th. Maybe on Orthodox Easter? We'll just have to wait and see. You're funny (kind of). I highly doubt the above, Gal. Well, it was [b]intended to be funny, so thanks!  I'd recommend checking out www.thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/ [ thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com] and www.rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/ [ rorate-caeli.blogspot.com] and educating yourself on the matter before posting any more snarky remarks. I don't understand why you seem to be against this; maybe you're just against the rumors, and you may well end up being right, but all the signs point in the opposite direction and the fact that it hasn't been done yet should be of no surprise to anyone.[/QB][/QUOTE] I actually know quite a bit about the subject, but I won't bore you with the details. But if you'll read my previous posts, in this thread and others, you'll see that I am totally in favor of allowing a wider and more generous permission by the bishops to use the traditional version of the Mass. If I sound snarky, my apologies, but you have to admit there has been a lot of very misleading misinformation on this particular topic floating around, and often those who might be sympathetic to the idea are put off by rhetoric of (for example) the SSPX and other breakaway groups.
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It is not particularly unusual for a papal document to be signed and then released a month or so later - this was the case, for example, with John Paul II's Magnum Baptismi Donum for the Millennium of the Baptism of Rus' in 1988 - it was signed at least two months before it was released. So we must be patient.
Nothing is impossible, but I would be amazed if the document is released this coming Sunday, when the Pope will surely wish to congratulate those who used the traditional Paschalion on the Paschal feast.
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Hi, Christ is Risen! been pondering attending at the Benedictine Abbey in Valyermo...but I would then want to be a oblate...so many options have suddenly came available... Well, the Abbey is wonderful. The Abbot is my pastor's spiritual director. How are your deacon classes going ? Not going yet. We are hoping to start in September, but still waiting for the official approval. My pastor alrady announced our acceptance to the parish community, though. Maybe he knows something I don't! Please keep praying for us. Shalom, Memo
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Originally posted by Theist Gal: Originally posted by Teen Of The Incarnate Logos:
By far, the most speculative arena of this entire story was/is the date of the promulgation of any such document.
Theist Gal, Actually the story started with a date of sometime in early March, then it became late March, then March 30th, then Holy Thursday. It seems that when a date comes without an announcement they just pick a new date. As for the comment that the "most speculative arena" is the date made me laugh. I think the most speculative arena in this is the whole thing. There is no credible source saying that this will happen. Every source to date as been listed as "unnamed". That is unless there is someone working at the Vatican with the last name of Unnamed and if there is he is a very busy man. David, Byzantine Catholic and Carmelite pre-novice
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And the rumors just keep coming: Vatican and traditionalists: rumors continue [ cwnews.com] Apr. 21 (CWNews.com) - During a closed-door meeting on March 23 with the College of Cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) indicated that he plans a move to allow broader use of the old Latin Mass. The exact nature of the Pope's move, and its timing, remain matters of intense speculation.
As the French bishops concluded their annual assembly on April 7, Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard revealed that the Pope is expected to issue directives "in the coming weeks or months" that would appeal to traditionalist Catholics. The French cardinal confirmed that Pope Benedict is particularly anxious to find ways of restoring normal relations with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).
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DavidB,
I don't remember hearing about any dates in March. The first concrete date I heard of was Maundy Thursday, which many doubted from the beginning given the inappropriateness of the timing.
As for this newest CWN article, this is not a rumor. This is reporting the facts. The article states facts and then mentions the intense speculation surrounding the unknown factors.
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