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Anyone remember during World Youth Day, it was said that Pope Benedict would celebrate the Mass using the older rite live on EWTN. Did I miss that, or did it not happen?

It did not happen. There was a Solemn Pontifical High Mass in the Tridentine Rite during the World Youth Day, but alas, EWTN did not broadcast it. At the time I knew who the Archbishop was who celebrated, but I've forgotten in the interim.

Incognitus

Incognitus,

Are the Missal with copyright 1964 and the Missal of 1965 one and the same?

The hierarchs celebrating the TLM during WYD were Archbishop Haas of Germany, Cardinal Pell of Australia, and Bishop Rifan of Brazil.

Here is +Haas celebrating Pontifical High Mass [Linked Image]

Here is +Pell celebrating Pontifical Vespers [Linked Image]

Here is Rifan celebrating Pontifical High Mass [Linked Image]

There were numerous other Masses, Vespers, and other liturgical functions celebrated by these prelates as well as ordinary priests during WYD.

Logos Teen

I believe they are. The copyright is 1964, and the implementation was for any practical purpose, 1965. The Canon was in Latin, and there was only one of them, not 37+. Much of the Canon was prayed softly, no microphones to pick up every dramatic sigh or tortured moan that Father uttered. At the time, I viewed it as the pre-Vatican II mass with some minor changes, although I didn't particularly like turning the altars around even then. I was 18 years old in 1965, so I remember all this well - still owning the missal reinforces my memory, as well. I think what bothers me most, is that so many people remember nothing other than the Novus Ordo, and mistakenly think it is the mass as reformed by Vatican II.

I've always wondered - for those of you who are knowledgable of the Tridentine/PiusV Mass - why is the priest's vestment being held here:
[Linked Image]

This one is from the Ambrosian Rite, but I've seen a similar posture in the Tridentine: [Linked Image]

But in this image the priest vestments aren't being held: [Linked Image]

What is this posture meant to signify in one instance, and what is the meaning of the difference in the second?

And notice this image of the Sarum Use, why is the celebrant saying the Eucharistic prayers on his knees, as opposed to while standing? [Linked Image]

Michael,

A more knowledgeable friend told me that it is because during the Middle Ages, the priest's chasuble were adorned with lots of jewels (which some still are, albeit rarely) and made of very thick fabric, and the priest could not hold aloft the Victim without the help of holding up his chasuble because of it's weight. Later, more symbolically, the beautiful action represents the grace flowing from the altar and from the Host to the faithful.

And, as for my two cents, the things such as the Last Gospel and the the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar that were either omitted or made optional were great parts of the Mass, even if added later...I don't see what's wrong with them really.

Logos Teen

I saw a photo taken at the Ceremonies at the St Peter the Priest place in Sydney and the celebrant wore a very ancient style of Chasuble that was very long at the back and gathered up on the sides. I would imagine that if he was not careful he could fall over if someone did not enure his feet were clear of garments at the consecration. As this style is older than the sideless models that came in later it may be a continuation of ensuring the priests feets remain clear.

XB! BB!

ICXC
NIKA

I have also heard that the weight of the fabric was the reason for the assistance in holding up the chasuble. A priest friend said some of the older ones were quite heavy, especially for elderly priests. He said cloth of gold, jewels, and ornaments were the norm in ancient times. Wow, no horse blankets. Can you imagine? What were they thinking?

I love how actions in the liturgy that arise out of practical need soon come to acquire a Christian/symbolic meaning, such as this one with the grace flowing from the altar to the faithful.

Logos Teen

You say "when" Pope Benedict frees the TLM. Did he say he was going to? I didn't hear any of the Easter [Pascha] services from Rome on EWTN so I don't know if the Holy Father mentioned it or not. How do you know it will happen?
Thanks. BTW I like your avatar.

I would not be surprised to see/hear something on or about April 30...commemoration day of St. Pius V...

james

I'll believe it when(if) it happens, people keep pushing back the date - it's like the rapturists and apocalyptics who keep predicting the Second Coming again and again.

Which will occur 1st...gas dropping below $3.00 a gallon or the Pius V Missal being reinstated for all to use...

james,remembering 19 cents a gallon regular :rolleyes:

What I saw on Google the Rapture is a very recent concept, 18th century was mentioned and protestant was the source.

American posters are asked not to boast about the cheap price they pay for petrol. In my town we pay just over USA$1.05 approx per litre , never mind gallons. Some people just don't know how well they are off.

ICXC
NIKA

Pardon my posting this...there are a few of us both from the East & West interested in a date that it may/could/really be announced...yesterday I checked my pre Vat II ordo/calendar...and found that St. Pius V memorial is May 5th...

Promise...no more dates from me...

james