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Pavel - you think your prices are bad !!!! ??

Today we had to pay USD 1.74 per litre that is I gather 0.26 US Gallons !!!

That is really beginning to hurt

Dear Michael Thomas,

you posted,

"I've always wondered - for those of you who are knowledgable of the Tridentine/PiusV Mass - why is the priest's vestment being held here:"

I think it is, at least in part, because the Priest is about to genuflect. By holding the Chasuble up in the rear, it is held up off the ground during the genuflection.

I really liked the other explantion though. It was awesome. It reminds me of the Chalice Veil being waved during the Creed during Divine Liturgy.

Holy Insanity Batman!

Last Wed I paid about 1USD/liter in Ontario, and I thought that was bad! (I bought just enough to get me to the border, then just had to pay the $3/gallon in New York.)

Reminds me a little of people saying "When the Church approves Medjugorje ..."

Well, I don't think it should, Peter.

Based on Pope Benedict's past writings, he desires the freedom of the TLM (I don't think particularly in and of itself as the be-all and end-all of the liturgical reform, but rather for the advancement of an organic reform).

To have an organic reform, we cannot have as a starting point the New Mass, since it is, as His Holiness has called it, a "fabrication" and a "banal, on-the-spot product."

Organic reform can only come from an organically developed liturgy, i.e. the TLM, but this could also include the 1965 Mass, ISTM.

So it is very little like Medjugorje, unless Benedict has expressed equal zeal in confirming this so-called miracle.

Not to mention, the Traditionalist cause has been gaining steam ever since 1984, and we've made some truly miraculous leaps, and now have a Pontiff who desires the freedom of it. I'd say it's pretty safe to use "when," unless, God forbid, this Pope dies before it is allowed. Even then, I believe this is the only way to salvage the Roman Rite and will inevitable occur as the Traditionalist communities grow by leaps and bounds as they have, and liturgical innovation becomes less and less common, as it is becoming...

Thanks, Irlanda, I like my avatar, too!

Logos Teen

So it's early evening (5:15pm) on May 5th in Rome, anyone have any word on the supposed "declaration" - or are we pushing the date back to the memorial of St. Pius X?

No more dates for me...I seriously doubt that this will occur at all this year...probably a filibuster occured in dealing with the Curia...

Politics are politics...secular or religious.

james

Actually the date has been pushed back to late summer. That is the guess from the of president of Una Voce (hardly an unbiased person).

Here is a link to the article reposted from the Wanderer.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mershon/060501

This whole thing reminds me of those Christians at the end of the 19th century who set a date for the return of Jesus. Didn't they keep changing the date when the previous date came and went without Jesus' return.


David, Byzantine Catholic and Carmelite pre-novice

David,

Well just as long as it doesn't remind you of Medjugorje!

Logos Teen