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Trisagion in Syriac (see my first post in this thread for the English)

Qadeeshat Aloho!
Qadeeshat Hayeltono!
Qadeeshat Lomoyouto!

Mshiho destlebteh lofain, itraham 'alain.

Dear Catholicos,

It's "Greek" to me . . .

Alex

Dear Alex,

Bring on the Trisagion in Ukrainian, and we'll see what's "Greek" to whom... :p

Dear Catholicos,

O.K. here goes:

Sviatey Bozhe, Sviatey Kripkey, Sviatey Bezsmertney, pomiluj nas! (three times)

Slava Otsiu i Synu i Svyatomu Duchovy i niny i povshiak chas i na viky vikiv. Amin.

See how much simpler that is to understand?

Alex

The Trisagion Prayers

The Greek:

Άγιος ο Θεός, άγιος ισχυρός, άγιος αθάνατος ελέησον ημάς από τού πονηρού.

Παναγία Τριάς, ελέησον ημάς. � Κύριε, ιλάσθητι ταις αμαρτίαις ημών � Δέσποτα, συγχώρησον τας ανομίας ημίν � Άγιε, επίσκεψαι και ίασαι τας ασθενείας ημών, � ένεκεν του ονόματός σου.

Κύριε ελέησον. (τρίς )

Δόξα Πατρί και Υιώ και Αγίω Πνεύματι, και νυν, και αεί, και εις τους αιώνας των αιώνων. Αμήν.

Πάτερ ημών, ο εν τοις ουρανοίς, αγιασθήτω το όνομά σου, ελθέτω η

βασιλεία σου, γενηθήτω το θέλημά σου ως εν ουρανώ και επί της γης. Τον άρτον ημών τον επιούσιον δός ημίν σήμερον και άφες ημίν τα οφειλήματα ημών, ως και ημείς αφίεμεν τοις οφειλέταις ημών, καί μη εισενέγκης ημάς εις πειρασμόν, αλλά ρύσαι ημάς από του πονηρού.

Ιερεύς: Ότι σου εστίν η βασιλεία και η δύναμις και η δόξα του Πατρός και του Υιού και του Αγίου Πνεύματος, νυν και αεί και εις τους αιώνας των αιώνων.

Ψ�λτης: Αμήν.

Κύριε, ελέησον. (Twelve times)

Δόξα Πατρί και Υιώ και Αγίω Πνεύματι, και νυν και αεί και εις τούς αιώνας των αιώνων. Αμήν.

From Pascha through it�s Leavetaking the following is replaced with the triple chanting of the Paschal troparion.

Ιερεύς:
▪ Δεύτε, προσκυνήσωμεν και προσπέσωμεν τω βασιλεί ημών Θεώ.
▪ Δεύτε, προσκυνήσωμεν και προσπέσωμεν Χριστώ, τω βασιλεί ημών Θεώ.
▪ Δεύτε, προσκυνήσωμεν και προσπέσωμεν αυτώ Χριστώ, τω βασιλεί και Θεώ. ημών.


The English:

Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us. (thrice)

All Holy Trinity have mercy upon us, Lord cleanse us from our iniquities, O Holy One heal our infirmities, for Thy names sake.

Lord, have mercy (thrice)

Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; And led us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

Priest: For thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.

Chanter: Amen.

Lord, have mercy. (Twelve times)

Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.

From Pascha through it�s Leavetaking the following is replaced with the triple chanting of the Paschal troparion.

Priest:
▪ O come and let us worship and bow down to God, our King.
▪ O come let us worship and bow down to Christ, our King and God.
▪ O come let us worship and bow down to Christ Himself, our King and God. Amen.

[ 08-14-2002: Message edited by: OrthodoxyOrDeath ]

Here is a question for you.

I have noticed, most of you have used "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us."

Which is the translation used in the Ruthenian usage.

Now the Melkites, and a small morning/evening prayer book of the Ukrainian Orthodox uses "Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us."

Warning Off Topic Comment Follows: Which is also used at the end of the Divine Mercy Chaplet from St Faustina, could this be a bit of Eastern influence on Poland?


David

[ 08-14-2002: Message edited by: DavidB ]

The Trisagion in Spanish (Mexican)

Santo Dios,
Santo Fuerte,
Santo Inmortal
Ten Piedad de Nosotros.

The Trisagion in Romanian

Sfinte Dumnezeule,
Sfinte Tare,
Sfinte Fără-de-moarte
Indură-te de noi.

I thought that the ending of the thrice-holy in Romanian was "muluieste-ne pe noi".

Brendan

Dear Brendan,

You are right, Big Guy.

In Roumanian it is:

Sfinte Dumnezeule, Sfinte tare, Sfinte fara demoarte, miluieste-ne pe noi (de 3 ori).

"Lord have mercy" would be "Doamne miluieste."

And here is the longer Jesus Prayer in that blessed tongue:

Doamne, Iisuse Khrstoase, Fiul lui Dumnezeu, pentru rugaciunile Preacuratei Maicii Tale si ale tuturor sfintilor, miluieste-ne pe noi. Amin.

And, FYI, a Roumanian Jewish friend of my mother's paid us a visit last year.

He sang an Easter song!

He told me he wasn't a Christian though, but in Roumania, under King Michael, his Christian friends came with him to the Synagogue, and he accompanied them to Church on Easter especially!

Isn't that NICE?!

Slava Tatalui si Fiului si Sfantului Duh si acum si pururea si in vecii vecilor. Amin!

Alex

Oh yeah, Alex, MUCH simpler... :p

I understand from some Romanian Greek Catholics that I have known that the difference in the vocabulary is Catholic vs. Orthodox. It appears that the language the Romanian GCs use is more "latinized," if you will, while the Orthodox use the older forms oftentimes influced by Slavonic. Hence "miluieşte-ne" obviously related to "milovati" is an older layer of language reflecting the Slav evangelization of Romania. "Indura-te" is a Latin origin word, more recently used in liturgy. This is what, at least, was explained to me.

Continuing on the Romanian thread, many will already know this tidbit. The Romanian Language was written for many (700?) years in the Cyrillic alphabet. Being a Romance (Latin) language its root language was originally written using the Roman Alphabet but that gave way to Cyrillic due to Orthodoxy and political allegiance and geography. The use of the Cyrillic alphabet waned, from what I recall, after the 15th or 16th century but it continued to be used in liturgical books for quite some time.

Both Romanian forms are used I think, maybe the second one is more orthodox.

This plurality exist in the Spanish language too, you can say:

Api�date de nosotros, Ten piedad de Nosotros, Ten Misericordia de Nosotros.

Dear Bob,

Excellent points!

In my acquaintance with Roumanian Orthodox and Catholics, I've found that they have what appears to me to be a great openness to the West that is absent in other Eastern Christians in Eastern Europe.

A Roumanian Orthodox priest I came across was most enthusiastic about the Pope of Rome.

Even moreso, I daresay, than me . . .

Before World Youth Day, that is!

Alex

And here is the Preghiere del Trisagio (Prayer of the Trisagion) in Italian:

Santo Dio, Santo Forte, Santo Immortale, abbi pieta` di noi. (3 volte) 3 times.

By the way, at the end of Italian prayers "Cosi` sia" (my trans. So be it) is often used instead of "Amen."

Oh, those Italians!