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I was driving home from work today and decided to listen to the hateful Anti-Catholic radio program PrimeTime America [mbn.org]

They had a program on the Aramaic Bible Translation [aramaicbible.org] mission. This mission is run by Joel Badal who is a descendant of the Chaldean Catholic Church. Joel's mission is to convert all the Chaldean Catholics into Christians. He is doing this by providing the Jesus Film [jesusfilm.org] which has been dubbed into Aramaic. He is generously funded by the Moody Bible institute and other Evangelical groups.

What really made me mad was the fact he had the nerve to put a picture of a Chaldean Catholic Church [aramaicbible.org] Chaldean on his website!

I am still trying to understand how ecumenism is helping the people [vatican.va] who �have found the true faith, and we adore the undivided Trinity�

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE?

If you lived back in the days of the mostly saintly Pope Urban II [newadvent.org] you would be knighted for your efforts.

Pope Urban II pray for us!

Shlomo Ray,

We are on the same page. Go see what I posted in the Town Hall section under:

Is Our Alliance With Evangelical Christians Sound?

Poosh BaShlomo,
Yuhannon

Two opinions on this forum which I value a lot are:

Dr. Alex's & the Admin.

I would really like to hear from both of them.


Regarding the question what are we going to do about this. From the Admin. point he is already doing something i.e byzcath
However, where is the leadership in our Church on these issues? Are we just going slowly die and spend our time and energy fighting on translation of the liturgy?

In my humble opinion the LAST thing the leadership of the Church should be worried about is new translation of the Liturgy. We have crisis of faith not a crisis of Liturgy.

The solution is simple EVANGELIZE, EVANGELIZE, EVANGELIZE!

I really hate it that they describe themselves as "Christian" vs. us as "Catholics" as though Catholicism is somehow NOT Christian.

I got a phone call a couple of days ago from someone who wanted to order a Paternoster from my site. She said she was not Catholic. Then she asked if I was Christian. I answered, "Yes, I'm Catholic."

Tammy

Ray,

Are these efforts at all successful? None of your links indicate so.

If we are serious about helping the Chaldean Church survive and evangelize Iraq I should think we might ask them how we can help. Would sending missionaries help? Would sending them money?

Dan L

Dan,

This is a bigger issue than just the Chaldean-Rite. We have lost our Evangelization Zeal!

I agree: ecumenism has become a malais to us Catholics, that there are those who consider all denominations as "the same". Though we should have a positive outlook on Protestants, it should not mean that we should abandon evangelization of Protestants or fall into a false sense of unity, when clearly there is none yet, and even worse, these people do not view Catholics the same way we view them.

Quite so. Quite so. Nevertheless, you did use the Chaldean Church as your only illustration. Are we only to complain about our lack of zeal or are we going to do something about it?

Dan L

I've actually addressed the issue here: https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000049

Ray,

Judging by his surname, Badal is probably indeed either an ethnic Chaldean or Assyrian. He's actually pastor of an Evangelical Free Church in Erie, IL. I suspect that his evangelization efforts are directed toward the large Chaldean and Assyrian communities in the Chicago area, rather than in their native countries.

I notice that the Jesus Project has managed to secure an endorsement from His Beatitude Mar Dinkha IV (who's situated in the Chicago area) for the Aramaic Bible Translation. It's pretty much a certainty that His Beatitude was unaware of the Project's ties to anyone wanting or planning to evangelize among his people.

Many years,

Neil

Neil,

Where did you find out that he's from Erie? The best I could come up with is West Chicago. But if he is from Erie it is absolutely fascinating to me. My last Methodist Church was in a neighboring town of Erie. A new Doctor came to town who was from Assyria. I asked her about her Orthodox background. She said she had converted to Protestantism, but wasn't interested in my Methodist Church.

Fascinating that people from Assyria would wind up in the very rural area of West Central Illinois 150 miles from Chicago. My guess would be that this group is the attraction.

Dan L

Well guys,

i can't believe how so many people just can't see the truth about these Evangelicals and engage in dialogue and charitable works with them.

No matter how "charitable" they look, all their acts are meant to convert people to their false religion and their falsified gospel. These people are enemies of our faith.

Attending their services regularly and engaging in activities with them is like biting a sword!
They have a political agenda behind them, I just can't believe how people don't see the truth. It's the religion of the One-World-Government and the masonic order that is being imposed against our wills.

Here is one way to help the Churches of the East - in their countries of origin and here as well.

http://www.cnewa.org/easternchurchesoutside.htm

Actually, my reflection on these groups are quite the same, that they're the arm of some one-world-government monopoly. I am wary of such groups.