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#53290 06/17/04 02:15 AM
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Hi,
I'm starting to pray the Breviary, and I'm trying to use both pre and post-Vatican II formula. But I'm confused about the kneeling days. Are they monday to friday or monday to saturday?

Thanx & Shalom!

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What version of the pre-Vatican II breviary are you using (pre 1960 or post 1960)?

I believe that, in general, from Monday through Vespers on Saturday you kneel. At Compline on Saturday and all day Sunday you stand.

The site www.breviary.net [breviary.net] might be helpful (although it is run by people with some interesting views).

Jason


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#53292 06/17/04 09:22 AM
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Dear Friend,

Well, there are no prescriptions for kneeling in the Byzantine breviary, except on Pentecost. And we don't kneel at all on Sundays and during the Paschal Season!

Have you tried praying the Byzantine Book of Hours?

I'm sure you'll find it much superior to the Latin tradition! smile

Here is an online version:

http://pages.prodigy.net/frjohnwhiteford/services.htm

Alex

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Thanx. I'm sure it'll enrich my prayer life. Btw, why is it superior than the Latin one?

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Originally posted by simeon:
Thanx. I'm sure it'll enrich my prayer life. Btw, why is it superior than the Latin one?
Don't trust Alex, he's extremely biased. smile

The Byzantine Office is beautiful. Long though.

Jason


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#53295 06/17/04 11:49 AM
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Alex,

Wow, thanks for the link. There's all sorts of good stuff there.

Jason


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#53296 06/17/04 12:06 PM
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I should see it, maybe later. I'm still learning how to use Latin one. It's not that complicated as I thought before. The Post Vatican-II formula is simpler than the Pre one. I heard that there's similarities between the Eastern and the Pre 60's one. The Pre 60's involves body gestures like kneelings, genuflexions, bowings.

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Dear Friends,

Yes, I'm very biased in favour of the Byzantine form! smile

I have the Latin Office of St Pius X - and it is extremely complicated!

It's probably the fact that they're on the new calendar that is throwing me all off . . . wink

If one would like a simpler, even though long, Eastern office, there is the Coptic Agpeya:

www.agpeya.org [agpeya.org]

One can shorten the psalms or divide them in half as each service has twelve, according to the rule of Pachomius, with Psalm 50. Prime has seven extra psalms and the Midnight Hour has three sets of twelve psalms . . .

The Alexandrian tradition (I love the sound of that name! wink ) also allows one to recite the entire psalter in a day - one cancels the psalms for Prime and Midnight and does thirty psalms each for the intervening five hours - according to Fr. Taft.

The Assyrian Office used to have three out of the 21 portions of their psalm-division at each of the seven monastic hours to allow for the entire Psalter to be read in the day.

Then there is the old Celtic Breviary at:

www.celticchristianity.org [celticchristianity.org]

The old monastic office of Pachomius had monks pray twelve psalms at the turn of each hour, including the night hours.

The Ethiopian monks still pray this way and Ethiopian laity are obliged to pray seven times daily.

Alex

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Actually I'm using the formula in WWW.breviary.net, [www.breviary.net,] plus a daily office prayer book.

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Here is a method [angelfire.com] for praying the hours, apparently inspired by Fr. Deacon Lance. I understand it draws on the Roman, Anglican, and Byzantine Offices.

Jason


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#53300 07/01/04 05:56 AM
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Shalom,

Is it OK to delay the praying hours? And how long?


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