www.byzcath.org Forums Faith & Christian Life Faith & Theology Is the "angel of peace" litany suppressed? If so, why?

Fr. Deacon Lance, I generally am more than fully supportive for Byzantine eparchial sui iuris authority.

But when those hierarchs are not promoting Byzantine tradition, and acting counter to those documents which were intended in both spirit and letter to preserve the integrity of that liturgical tradition then it is certainly appropiate for the Congregation to act.

I don't understand your reference to Curia with respect to the married clergy issue. The Melkites, Ukrainians and Romanians have all ordained married clergy in this country in the last few years without any type of punitive actions from the Congregation, nor with the last few ordinations even any comment at all from the Congregation.

The issue with married clergy in the BCC Metropolia resides squarely and solely with the BCC hierarchy. I don't accept any excuses regarding the Curia anymore on this issue.

Perhaps the question "why does the Roman Curia go to great trouble and expense to publish beautiful liturgical books, promulgate them, and then turn around and appoint bishops who are adamantly opposed to the use of the same books?" might be an interest topic of discussion. Incognitus

If you come to Columbus, Ohio, and attend St. John Chrysostom Byzantine Catholic Church, you'll find that we never met a litany we didn't like....

Cheerz,

Sharon

Woody,

You will always be welcome at Holy Cross in Placentia, California. Of course, hospitality is part of the Arabic culture!

Edward, deacon and sinner

I'm glad to hear that at least Columbus takes this litany. Perhaps there's others...no one else chimed in.

But, I still wonder why this litany was not included in the new revised Liturgy, which apparently will become the liturgical norm for the Metropolia. There are some particular petitions here which I, for one, have found most beneficial to pray at Liturgy.

I understand the need to consider some abbreviations in some services. I do think, however, that we Ruthenians overdo this concept. In the case of repetitive litanies in the Liturgy could we not at least take these litanies one time, instead of effectively wiping them out of our liturgical memory? Could not the norm be that we should take each litany at least once during the Liturgy?

"But, I still wonder why this litany was not included in the new revised Liturgy, which apparently will become the liturgical norm for the Metropolia. There are some particular petitions here which I, for one, have found most beneficial to pray at Liturgy."

Dave:

If you didn't hear this from a member of the IELC, I don't think you have actually "heard" it correctly.

Fr Deacon Edward, Christ is among us!

I will be there, hopefully in the not too distant future.

He is and ever shall be!

Woody

Dave,

Since I can't edit "my" previous post. I do NOT recall having posted this, though I was logged on at the time I had not posted any replies on this forum.

I aplogise for the tone of the post, however.

Steve Petach

Steve wrote:

Actually, Fr David Petras has written an explanation in the thread "Restoring tradition to our parishes." He said:

My understanding of what he wrote is that having truncated antiphons and deleted litanies is considered "pastorally beneficial at this time."

I cannot agree that such is "in conformity with...general Orthodox practice." I know of no Orthodox jurisdiction that has removed the "angel of peace" litany from their normative celebration of the Divine Liturgy. While some liturgical abbreviation can be found in some Orthodox jurisdictions it is never on the scale that we Ruthenians have adopted.

The impression I also got from reading Fr David's post is that the mandates for the revised Liturgy are meant to be taken seriously. That would mean that those priests and faithful who might want to have a fuller celebration of the Divine Liturgy would be going against the wishes of the Bishops.

Personally, I am very saddened by these events. As for myself, I have enjoyed those parishes (both Catholic and Orthodox) where the Anaphora was taken aloud. (The OCA parish nearby almost always takes it aloud.) Yet, I have to ask: is the mandating of extremely shortened antiphons and omitted litanies (on a scale not found in any Orthodox jurisdiction) tied to a need to make the length of the Divine Liturgy "pastorally beneficial" with the added time it takes for formerly "silent" prayers now to be said aloud? Could we not, at the very least, allow parishes to do more if they so desire as long as they follow the the mandated revised Liturgy as a minimum?