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Here are some of my personal thoughts on the matter:
While some individuals in the Orthodox Church might hold that view (or SEEM to hold them), the Orthodox Church as a whole does not teach "consubstantiation" as it is understood in the West. Ask any Orthodox Christian (who knows something of the Faith!) and he/she will say that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ--PERIOD. Now, at the same time, Orthodox don't define the Eucharist in the same scholastic terminology of the West (substance, accidents, etc). We Orthodox understand the limitations of the human mind and prefer to define the Eucharist as a "mystery." We know that Christ commanded us to perform the Eucharist as His memorial; that when we do so, He is fully present; and that when receive the Eucharist, it is the Body and Blood of the Risen Jesus. Much beyond that, the "hows" and "whys" and such are in the realm of the Divine, beyond our full comprehension.
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Dear Armando,
You stated,
"By the way, the news of consubstantiation in the OC are not suprising to me. I have heard about it some while ago... Orthodoxy is something like protestants with tradition and apostolic sucession"
Really......so then the Orthodox Church must use a Liturgy that was devised to be Protestant, right?
And obviously, Protestantism developed form the Orthodox Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. Right?
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Dear Rilian,
"You're right, and it appears I have overstayed my welcome.
My apologies.
Andrew"
You are awesome please don't go.
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Andrew, please don't leave on my account.
I'm Catholic, you're Orthodox...We're bound to have differences and express them in offending ways (by purpose or not).
And I apologise for calling Orthodoxy another protestant demonition (did I spell that right?)...
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God, do I really sound THAT provoking?! Andrew, please, remind me to shut my mouth every now and then... 
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Dear Andrew, Remember the old adage: Beware of Greeks! Oh, "bearing gifts" of course . . .  Alex
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Can I ask something? I am Roman Catholic (since I converted with the help of a Fransican priestmonk and have only attended Latin mass) but I am also Greek. What does that make me?
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I mean, am I Greek Catholic or Roman Catholic?
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Originally posted by Armando:
Can I ask something? I am Roman Catholic (since I converted with the help of a Fransican priestmonk and have only attended Latin mass) but I am also Greek. What does that make me? A Greek Catholic, I guess-- ha. I've never liked the term "Greek Catholic" to refer to the Byzantine Rite, and that's why. God bless, Karen
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Dear Armando,
Christ is among us!
To put it simply you are a Roman Catholic Greek, although if you were originally an Orthodox Christian you should have been received into the Apostolic Exarchate of Greece (Byzantine Catholic) headquartered at Holy Trinity Cathedral in Athens, Greece.
Warmest regards to all,
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Originally posted by Armando: I mean, am I Greek Catholic or Roman Catholic? You are a Greek Roman Catholic, just like your compatriots that are Greek Jews!
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Armondo,
Canonically speaking I believe you are a Greek Catholic, canon law states that when a person such as you are recieved into communion it is in the coresponding rite to which they belonged.It doesnt matter what priest or juridical Church received you.
I may be wrong let me look it up.
But I dont think I am.
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Dear Father Vladimir, Bless! We hope to see you share with us more often! Kissing your right hand, In Christ, Alice
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Originally posted by Stephanos I:
Armondo,
Canonically speaking I believe you are a Greek Catholic, canon law states that when a person such as you are recieved into communion it is in the coresponding rite to which they belonged.It doesnt matter what priest or juridical Church received you.
I may be wrong let me look it up.
But I dont think I am.
Stephanos I Dear Father Stephanos, But what if the person converting wants to be a Latin rite Catholic? Respectfully, Alice, inquisitively
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Originally posted by Chtec:
Here are some of my personal thoughts on the matter:
While some individuals in the Orthodox Church might hold that view (or SEEM to hold them), the Orthodox Church as a whole does not teach "consubstantiation" as it is understood in the West. Ask any Orthodox Christian (who knows something of the Faith!) and he/she will say that the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ--PERIOD. Now, at the same time, Orthodox don't define the Eucharist in the same scholastic terminology of the West (substance, accidents, etc). We Orthodox understand the limitations of the human mind and prefer to define the Eucharist as a "mystery." We know that Christ commanded us to perform the Eucharist as His memorial; that when we do so, He is fully present; and that when receive the Eucharist, it is the Body and Blood of the Risen Jesus. Much beyond that, the "hows" and "whys" and such are in the realm of the Divine, beyond our full comprehension.
Dave Dave, I can't think of how I would explain it any differently. When we prostrate ourselves before the consecrated gifts it seems to me the only possibility is they are truly the body and blood of Christ. I can't see how if they were in some way still merely bread and wine we wouldn't be worshipping what is created and not the creator. Thanks to everyone for the kind comments. What happens elsewhere is not my concern, just as I imagine when confessing my priest wouldn't want to hear how my sins aren't as bad as someone else's. Lent is a hard enough climb without having reading some of the things I have read lately. I guess I just felt frustrated earlier. I feel better now. Andrew
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