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Why are +Filarets' vestments so more colorful than +Husar's? Is it just personal choice? I prefer +Filaret's vestments myself.

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Dear Lauro,

Not all Bishops are appointed within their own countries. Our USA Metropolitan of Philadelphia, Stefan Soroka, is a native Canadian. And Kyr Hlib Lonchyna, Auxiliary of Lviv, is a native of Steubenville, Ohio, if I remember correctly. I doubt that he speaks Portuguese, but some Bishops are amazing linguists.

As for the vestments, I get the impression that Kyr Lubomyr is a modest man who is happy to let others be the center of attention at an event. If he wanted to, he could wear the white of a Metropolitan or Patriarch, as Patriarch Josyf and Metr. Volodymyr Sterniuk did. I have seen Lubomyr pictured several times wearing the red crown he is wearing here. Is that monastic dress of the Studites? Is it because he is a Cardinal? Or is there another explanation?

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

A red skufya or kamilavka can be worn by any bishop.

Daniil made a good point earlier. We have a green light for high-backed felons and Kyivan chant now. I also have to say red is a great vestment color choice by the Orthodox in the pictures from the Kyiv Sobor site.

Thanks for the reply about the red kamilavka. As for high-backed felons, I suppose there would be no problem using them in prison ministry?

We use and have used Kyivan chant for some years now but my pastor very much dislikes the high backs.

Just give him some time, UC. But can you handle high-backs? And as for Kyivan chant, you are right, Tone 1 and 6 Kyivan and other common Kyivan melodies are often used already in UGCC parishes.

And really Patriarch Lubomyr should be wearing a white klobuk and veil as the Metropolitan on up has this privalege . I think Patriarch Josyp would have worn his white klobuk if he was alive.

We use Kyivan for "Blahoslovy dushe moya Hospoda" and for "Blazhenni" and I have started to do the Profession of Faith a la Kyiv. I almost prefer Kyivan chant to Galician.

As to highbacks...... I was at the Eparchial conference in Phoenix this past September and I approached Archpriest Galadza and asked him about it and ehhh he some what changed my views. I am starting to get used to them. I have alway seen them in Orthodox churches (my uncle is an Orthodox priest and he sports them.) It is odd seeing them in a Greek Cath. Church because usually they are Greek style or even better, old Tridentine garments cut across the front

Whatever though. Whether liturgical vestments are of Russian or Greek usage should be last on things to worry about. I say we tackle the pew issue or latinizations or better yet, Church unity.

-ukrainiancatholic representin' the West Coast Lowback gang fo' sho'

The important thing about all of this is that an important atmosphere of unity was felt. This of course probably went through the minds of those who were present and participated. They are probably asking themselves "What's wrong with us?
What can we do to get together more frequently and why not permenantly?" I also believe that the Orthodox of the UAOC are thinking likewise. As for the MPs they are criticizing as usual and in my point of view they are losing prestige not only in the social-political aspects but more importantly as true loving Christians.
I really admire Patriarch Husar and I'm very,very happy to have him as our father and even though he wears glasses, his sight is far better than many other bishops and politicians.
May God grant him, many, many years!

Dear Lauro, I think the MP is possibly still in shock over this event. Unification of any factions in Ukraine, whether it's UAOC with KP, or whatever, in the mind of the MP is the worst possible scenario as they rely in part on he myriad divisions in Orthodoxy to divide and conquer the Ukrainian Church and justify their existence and claim to Kyiv. A stronger, united Ukrainian Orthodoxy would negate the need for the MP for all except ethnically Russian parishes. It could be the beginning of Alexei's nightmare coming true...

Dear Friends,

It is great that Cardinal Husar and Patriarch Filaret can get together like this.

Hopefully, their collaboration will increase until formal unity between the two is achieved.

Alex

Dear Diak,

Are you getting into Zen?

I guess my use of "Cardinal" drew a blank?

Alex

No Alex, diak has obviously taken an apocalyptic Old Believer step and become a molchalnik!!!

Bless me a sinner, Fr. Mark,

Perhaps I shouldn't make a point by calling Husar a Cardinal - although he is and was called that during his visit here.

I just think that we are engaging in false hopes that Rome will recognize a patriarchate for us - it's time to do some rethinking of things.

The Old Believers have the right idea . . .

You really are a wonderful Servant of God, you know!

Alex

Amin, Alex! As the Russians (can I mention them?) found out with Constantinople, the hungry and power greedy will never let go voluntarily. Sometimes you have to force it! Let's see what happens with the Greek Orthodox metropolis in the US. They may have to do the same thing!

Spasi Khristos -
Mark, monk and sinner.