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Are EC priests allowed to marry, before they are ordained of course, outside their native country or patriarch? I believe I read somewhere that they were not allow to marry in the US. Are they allowed to be married anywhere now?
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Most of the Byzantine eparchies in the US have either openly ordained married men in the US in the last 5 or 10 years or have married priests working in their eparchies who came from Eastern Europe or the Middle East. Several eparchies ordain married men openly now in the US.
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So far as I am aware, a candidate's birthplace has nothing in particular to do with presenting him for ordination. As to marriage, at least one Eastern Catholic bishop in the USA ordained a married priest just a few weeks ago with no attempt to hide either the ordination or the new priest's marital status.
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Originally posted by incognitus:
So far as I am aware, a candidate's birthplace has nothing in particular to do with presenting him for ordination. Incognitus, I think LP's reference to "native country" was intended to mean the historical territory of the Church sui iuris (as opposed to the diaspora), rather than referring to the birthplace of the presbyteral candidate. LP, It is true that, for a long time, the Churches sui iuris ordained married men to the priesthood only in their historical territories and then employed a fiction by which such priests - incardinated in a canonical jurisdiction of those territories - were "lent" to the service of the jurisdiction in the diaspora from which they originated. That practice has been essentially abandoned. On Christmas Eve, 1996 (if I'm remembering correctly), Bishop John (Elya), then Eparch of Newton of the Melkites, ordained then-Deacon Andre Saint Germaine to the priesthood. Bishop John's decision to do so, effectively sounded the death knell for adherence by the Eastern Churches to the idea of a mandated celibate clergy in the diaspora. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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The restriction was removed in 1999. His excelency, Archbishop Stevan of Philadelphia recently renovated the seminary in Washington, DC. for married men. So, far no takers.
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Dear Friends, Did Rome impose a restriction on married priests here? Since when?  Alex
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I also believe that Bishop Robert of Parma, Ohio (UGCC) is willing to ordain married men to the priesthood.
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Originally posted by catholicsacristan:
Glory be to Jesus Christ!
I also believe that Bishop Robert of Parma, Ohio (UGCC) is willing to ordain married men to the priesthood.
--Mark Therrien I can confirm Bishop Robert's willingness to ordain married clergy. I recall speaking to a priest after an eparchial synod where Kyr Robert, during a meeting of the clergy, rather casually asked if anyone had an objection to him ordaining married men. Supposedly only one hand went up, that of a young priest, whose only comment was 'why didn't you think of this while I was still in seminary?'.  (I was assured he was only joking, mostly) Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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Dear Kobzar, When our new bishop was enthroned, a priest got up at the banquet and read the words of St Paul where he mentions that bishops should be "men with one wife" etc. He then looked at the assembled bishops and said, "So, Vladyky, where are your wives today?"  Alex
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Kobzar,
When our new bishop was enthroned, a priest got up at the banquet and read the words of St Paul where he mentions that bishops should be "men with one wife" etc.
He then looked at the assembled bishops and said, "So, Vladyky, where are your wives today?"
Alex ROTFL! Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!
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I like the idea of married Priests. I hope to marry and have children within a couple of years. I am also considering and/or hope to serve as a priest when I'm older. I'll be very satified if I can do both in this lifetime.
I think if married priests were encouraged properly there would be a dozen qualified old men in every parish. Training could start early and be worked around college and a secular job.
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It doesn't bother me one bit, married priests in the eastern churches. That is your tradition !!!!
I have learned alot from reading so far on here. I love it at divine liturgy when it is sung "ages until ages"
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Leoxpiusx,
It was also the tradition of the Latin Church until 1215 with the universal prohibition of clerical celibacy being enforced. Perhaps we too should return to our roots.
Stephanos I
and ps no I am not looking to get married.
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"perhaps we should get back to our roots"
By all means YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And lets start with bringing back the Tridentine Latin Mass and issuing indults for the Novus Ordo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excuse me Byz brothers but the Latin in me (along with my traditional preferences) take over!!!!
mea culpa
mea culpa
mea maxima culpa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And what Mass did they celebrate before 1545?
Lets get back to our roots indeed.
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