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#63990 02/06/06 06:30 PM
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Hi Everyone im new. I was wondering... is a Latin Catholic allowed to be confirmed in an Eastern church? I know that all three Sacraments: Baptism, the Eucharist and Confirmation are given at one time.

also what do y'all think about Changing rites? (ie byzantine to latin or vice versa)

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Sam


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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I would say that usually you are confirmed in the church you belong to. As chrismation is done with baptism in the Byzantine Rites and not by itself this would not usually be an option.

Transfer from the Byzantine rite has occured here in Australia. One Ukrainian family in a remote area of the country were permitted to transfer to the local Latin diocese. The nearest UGCC is nearly 500-600 Kms away and they had been going to a Latin church it made sense for them. I dont this this happens too often but in a Country as big as mine and as sparcely populated this happens to people of various Rites who live away from the main capital cities where most people live. My state is a UGCC parish (also Melkite, Maronite & Armenian) and is 1 million Sq Miles in the old money.

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So If one is already Baptized in the latin church, one would have to be confirmed in the latin church as well, because their is no "confirmation" by itself in the byzantine church?


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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So If one is already Baptized in the latin church, one would have to be confirmed in the latin church as well, because their is no "confirmation" by itself in the byzantine church?


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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Byzantine confirmations of persons baptized in the Roman Rite have certainly occurred, even quite recently - many children were baptized in Latin churches during the persecutions after World War II and then chrismated in the Greek-Catholic Church when that eventually became possible. Other reasons include simply the problem of distance to a Greek-Catholic Church, sheer ignorance, and so forth.

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Nice to see you Sam :p


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#63996 02/06/06 08:27 PM
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you to myles. I have been suspended from Phatmass frown


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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Dear Sam,

As your Moderator, I pray that you will behave yourself here. biggrin

We are a diverse group of Easterners which includes Orthodox (like myself) and Byzantine Catholics, as well as others. Besides sharing a love for the East in common, we all yearn in our hearts and prayers for the day that East and West will be united again.

Having said that, I hope that you will enjoy the forum! smile

In Christ, our unity,
Alice

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I plan on behaving here. biggrin

I too yearn for Christain Unity.


sam

Edit: My Username is not meant in anyway to offend anyone, and i hopt it does not.


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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I had to do some reading when I was able to read your Nik, as some fringe groups in the Catholic church use that praise to offend those not in the Catholic Church. Personally think you could have chosen something more neutral. Just my opinion.

I think you might find that Byzantine Clergy would likley to not want to chrismate someone baptised in another part of the Church. I was just on the phone to a priest who said that he would not do it. He would send the applicant back to their own Parish Priest. If on the other hand that person was to attend a Byzantine Church for some years and decided to petition the bishop to be received into the Eparchy then that would be different.

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actually i was in support of the SSPX until about a month ago. Now (Deo Gratias!) I am not.


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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From your postings I had suspected that was where you might have been.

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is it that easy to tell? biggrin

I have no support for that schismatic group any longer.


Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. -- Pope St. Clement I
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The canonical guiding principle is actually simple enough: unless there has been a deliberate and authorized change, a Catholic belongs to that sui iuris Church in which he was baptized or should properly have been baptized.

It occasionally happens, either because of long distance, illness, or some similar grave reason, that a Catholic priest is called upon to baptize the child of Orthodox parents. In that event, the proper procedure is for the priest to baptized the child, but to record in the sacramental register that this child is Eastern Orthodox.

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Pavel,

As per Sam's moniker, I'm not sure how it isn't good or wise. It's a defined dogma of the Church that outside of Her there is no salvation, and this is the Teaching of Christ. It's really very beautiful to know and to recognize that Christ the the Way, the Truth, and the Life. We should all love the teachings of the Church, I say!

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