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#64191 06/30/05 01:07 PM
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With the recent questions about Bishop Pataki, some direct and some veiled, I have a question: Since he is 78 years old why hasn't he retired? As has been suggested recently on this board are there political reasons why no one has successfully moved him into retirement? Maybe someone could pm me if for some reason this is a secret.

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No comment!

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Dear Dan,

We had a similar issue with our beloved Vladyka Isidore Borecky!

Vladyka's position was simply that there can be no rule to oblige an Eastern Hierarch to resign at a certain age - he is to remain where he is until death.

Alex

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Alex,

From certain recent posts there seems to be some who want him to stay on until 120 or until death, whichever comes last. wink And others find that his actions have been less than good for the Church for quite some time.

I'm still laity so I'm just curious.

Dan L

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Dear Professor Dan,

Actually, I've learned more about the goings-on in the Eparchy of Eastern Canada from the Administrator and Fr. Deacon Lance than from anyone up here! wink

I think they just keep things from us lay-guys on purpose, don't you? smile

Alex

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Dan,

Bishop Dudick was also about 78 when he was replaced with Bishop Pataki.

Apparently there is just no rush to name a replacement. They may have to send their resignation letter when they are 75, but it doesn't have to be acted on immediately.

I believe there are only two times of the year these resignations are acted upon - August and January (?).

There is a rather 'secret' process in selecting a new bishop, requiring possibly several rounds of submission of candidates' names.

Maybe there is just no one who can really take his place...

Sam

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Professor Alex,

Do you remember "Me and Bobby McGee"?

Sam,

With so few members does there need to be?

Dan L

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Sam,

With so few members does there need to be?

Dan L
Dan,

Now thats a whole 'nother thread, LOL!
What would they do with all of the extra crowns? eek

Sam

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There is no such thing as a mandatory retirement for the bishops in the Eastern Churches. There is nothing in canon law that says they must retire at a certain age.

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Codex Canonum Ecclesiarum Orientalium:
Can. 210 - S1. Episcopus eparchialis, qui septuagesimum quintum annum aetatis aut ob infirmam valetudinem aliave gravi de causa officio suo implendo minus aptus evasit, rogatur, ut renuntiationem ab officio exhibeat.

Basically, when a bishop reaches 75 he is "requested" to submit his resignation - there is no requirement.

Σώσον, Κύριε, καί διαφύλαξον η�άς από τών Βασιλιάνικων τάξεων!

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I believe that Bishop Andrew has submitted his resignation, but Pope John Paul II did not act on it. I suppose there would be a need to determine a suitable replacement before making an announcement.

John Paul II was known to keep Bishops on duty beyond the 75 year age limit. Cardinal O'Connor died in office at age 80, Cardinal Bevilaqua was 81, the late James Cardinal Hickey also served as Archbishop of Washington past his 80th year.

Benedict XVI also submitted his retirement letter, when he was a Cardinal, but seemed to have been kept on active duty pending a special future assignment. smile

There may be another change in the near future. This year, Bishop Basil Losten of Stamford, Connecticut turns 75.

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Though Bishop John of Newtown MA submitted his retirement at 75 and it was granted immediately. Many years! to him.

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Originally posted by Two Lungs:
I believe that Bishop Andrew has submitted his resignation, but Pope John Paul II did not act on it. I suppose there would be a need to determine a suitable replacement before making an announcement.

John Paul II was known to keep Bishops on duty beyond the 75 year age limit. Cardinal O'Connor died in office at age 80, Cardinal Bevilaqua was 81, the late James Cardinal Hickey also served as Archbishop of Washington past his 80th year.

Benedict XVI also submitted his retirement letter, when he was a Cardinal, but seemed to have been kept on active duty pending a special future assignment. smile

There may be another change in the near future. This year, Bishop Basil Losten of Stamford, Connecticut turns 75.

John
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Think about it. with vocations as low as they are (in response, not quality, of course), there doesn't seem to be any other choice but to keep bishops, etc. past the retirement age, who is going to replace them?
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