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Dear Friends, Yep, I'm for married priests too! After all, some of my best friends are!  I'm also for ignoring bad Roman laws pertaining to the Eastern Catholic Churches and especially unjust Roman pronouncements (ie. not in favour of the UGCC Patriarchate). But with all this talk about the Eastern Catholic Churches maturing etc., when will ROME just grow up and mature already? Eh? Alex
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Originally posted by Diak:
That was the Eparchy of Chicago, and it was the first priestly ordination of the new bishop.
The Romanians have also ordained married men in the last few years. It's no big deal anymore. Does anyone know what year the last married man was ordained to the priesthood in the Byzantine-Ruthenian Metropolia in the USA? Michael
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So what's the problem, if everyone else is doing it?
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Dear Herb,
There are EC bishops who are against MP's in their eparchies and that is that.
Even when MP's are allowed, there are problems. When one of our married priests had an audience with our bishop (not the current one), he complained about this or that relating to his presbytera and children.
The bishop retorted, "Then you shouldn't have gotten married then!"
If words could kill . . .
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So what's the problem, if everyone else is doing it? Could it be that the Byzantine-Ruthenians have never had a Patriarch? Right now the Pope of Rome functions as the Patriarch, the exact same relationship to Rome as the Latin church. And this extends to the old world as well, the home base of the Ruthenian church is busted up along national boundaries. I wonder how the process of nominating bishops for the Byzantine-Ruthenians compares to the process currently in place for the Melkites or Ukrainians? Personally I like my bishop, I think he's great. I just wonder if the institution isn't ready for adjustment.
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Michael, the Romanians do not have a Patriarch, and the Russian Catholics do not even have a bishop (but have a married priest in the US). I like your bishop very much also.  I predict he will be the one to restore married priesthood to the Ruthenian Church in the USA. Did you read his intervention at the U.S. Bishop's Conference? It was very good in support of Eastern Catholic adult catechetical needs with the proposal of the new Latin Adult Catechism. The proposed text had certain language that did not even inform the reader that there were variations in practices, spirituality, discipline, etc. from the Latin, and Bishop John did a great job with his comments pointing that out. The conference voted to make changes to the Latin text incorporating his informational comments. Only he and later in the conference Nicholas Samra spoke out amongst all of the US Eastern Catholic bishops on that issue. Eis Polla Eti, Despota !
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Originally posted by Diak:
Michael, the Romanians do not have a Patriarch, and the Russian Catholics do not even have a bishop (but have a married priest in the US). Well OK, that shoots that theory! :rolleyes:
I like your bishop very much also. I predict he will be the one to restore married priesthood to the Ruthenian Church in the USA.
Did you read his intervention at the U.S. Bishop's Conference? It was very good in support of Eastern Catholic adult catechetical needs with the proposal of the new Latin Adult Catechism.
The proposed text had certain language that did not even inform the reader that there were variations in practices, spirituality, discipline, etc. from the Latin, and Bishop John did a great job with his comments pointing that out. The conference voted to make changes to the Latin text incorporating his informational comments.
Only he and later in the conference Nicholas Samra spoke out amongst all of the US Eastern Catholic bishops on that issue. Eis Polla Eti, Despota ! Bishop John is one of the few reasons I still consider myself Catholic today. I heard about it on the radio, but that was about it, I never saw the text. If you happen to have a link, could you post it? Thanks Michael
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I don't have all of the text. I read it in a UGCC paper, and I also heard it through a Latin bishop who was present and who was VERY impressed with Bishop John.
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I guess I still don't get it. Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Herb,
There are EC bishops who are against MP's in their eparchies and that is that.
Alex Seems to me, those who think it's right, they should do it. Those who don't like it, fine then, don't do it. No one's forcing them (unless one considers Canon Law, Church Tradition, and Vatican II as having some moral authority) When the Ukrainians starting doing it, correct me if I'm wrong [like that "Detroit Eparchy" thing  ], not all the bishops were on side. One bishop did it. It was condemned in many quarters as I understand. But...after a while, the Holy Spirit triumphed (imho anyways). Even today, I hear that there are UGCC bishops who won't do it. But that's their problem. De gustibus non est disputandum. Herb still-not-getting-it 
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Speaking of Bishop John Kudrick ... Check out Fr. Thomas Loya's great interview with Bishop John. Select the "radio" link and pick the Dec. 12, 2004, broadcast of Light of the East. www.byzantinecatholic.com. [ byzantinecatholic.com.] In Christ, John
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The Romanian Catholic Diocese recently ordained a married man as subdeacon. He will be ordained to the diaconate in May, and to the priesthood sometime after that, probably within a year...The majority of priests in their [admittedly tiny] diocese are married men.
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The question of married priest shouldn't be an issue. The Eastern Church has always ordained married men and this has been the tradition and the Pope himself has told Greek Catholics to maintain their traditions. If you recall Alexis Toth, you have seen what happens when a Latin Rite prelate meddles. If you go to any Eastern European country you will witness with your own eyes that both Greek Catholic and Orthodox priests are married. A majority of them are married.
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