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Just For My Information! I would like to know how many on this forum were born Post-Vatican II and were NOT born Byzantine Catholics. If you were born Byzantine Please Do Not Vote.

Dear Johan,

What about us born DURING Vatican II? That right I was born in 1962.

PAX

P.S. I was not born Byzantine but my mother was, so am I half-Byz? :p

I, too, was born during Vatican II. I was baptized Latin and returned to the Church of my ancestors (UGCC) in 1992.

father michael

Ok, I know how to not vote!

Hmmm...Byzantine Forum...Don't Vote if you are Byzantine...Don't get it?

The purpose of this poll was to see how many non-Byzantines that are from Post-Vatican II who participate on this forum. This poll is the result of the topic: The Renewal of the Liturgy: An Eastern Novus Ordo?

Thanks for those who vote!

Get it

Actually Brother Elias and Father Michael, I think we do not count as being born "post Vatican II". (in my case 1965).

So Buddy Johan??? What would you have us do??

Thanks,
Stefan

Oh, and I was born on July 11, 1976, supposedly a Gen-Xer, I prefer to call my generation, Generation Tradition; everyone I hang out with my age is a Trad although there are a couple conservatives lingering around, ugh
It's wierd we are more traditional than most of those older then us. We live in a topsy-turvy world :rolleyes:

I checked the actual dates of the 2nd Vatican Council and it began in October, I was born in June - so I guess I am "pre-Vatican II" technically.

BUT...I have no recollection or memory of that era of the Church, so I am for all practical purposes a post-Vatican II Catholic. In fact I barely remember any other Pope, save John Paul II.

This reality does play itself out in our monastic community in very tangible ways. The "60's Fathers" - those monks formed by the 1960's [not their age - but it soon will be! ] are always reminding me & my younger confreres not to be so nostalgic for the "good old days" since we didn't live them and really don't know of what we speak.

This is because [and this is how it relates to what Robert posted] we tend to be more traditional. One example, some of our confreres were surprised when we wear our habits when traveling.

As Robert pointed out, labels can be misleading. I have seen articles that place me at the tail end of the Baby Boom generation, and others at the start of Gen X. In philosophy & outlook on the world, I am closer to my parents - the so-called "greatest generation" of WW II (my father being a war refuge from Poland), though I have some Gen X skepticism about things like govt., etc.

PAX

Are you an individual that did not grow up with the Latin Mass? Then you would vote Post-Vatican II.

It seems that there are many Post-Vatican II here on this forum. This tells me that the Holy Spirit is moving in their lives to find a traditional form of worship. Although, this is far from a scientific experment it seems to confirm Colleen Carroll�s assumptions.

Thanks for those who voted!

Results are 9 people are Post-Vatican II which means they did NOT grow up with the Latin Mass/

A very unsound conclusion. It might be said that all of the posters here have strongly embraced the ecumenism called for by VC2 and rejected the harsh, pre-conciliar thinking towards the Orthodox, seeing us as schismatics with whom ecumenism was limited to liberal Catholic circles.

Alternatively, it might be said that those moving from Latin to Byzantine are embracing a spirit of individualism and personal choice that would have been frowned upon in pre-conciliar times. It appears nowdays, in a postconciliar spirit of personal freedom, Catholics seek out a parish and even a rite that is best for them personally, rather than accepting the one assigned to them by the Church authorities.

This might be called "thinking for oneself"!

I would also note that Roman Catholics coming East seem to bring with them several post-Vatican 2 values. For example, a strong preference for Liturgy in their venacular and the practice of frequent communion. I find very few former Roman Catholics at Slavonic (or Ukrainian or Greek)worship or practicing less than monthly communion.

Axios

Axios why dont we ask them?

Everyone, are you for a more Traditional Liturgy or would you perfer a Cardinal Mahoney "shock and awe" liturgy? A simple Yes or No will be enough.

Actually, Axios has a good point. There are many reasons why RC's become Eastern Christians, either Orthodox or Catholic. Myself is a case in point. I was a convert to RCC at the age of 15 in 1974. I tried monastic life, ended up leaving the Church and becoming an Old Roman Catholic priest. After 9 years I decided to return to union with Rome...I chose to become a Ukrainian Catholic...not because I was dissatisfied with the Liturgy used in the RCC, but because I felt more at home with Eastern theology and spirituality. Axios also has a point about post Vatican II people being more at ease with changing Churches and parishes. According to the old code of Canon Law one was OBLIGED to attend and support the parish you lived it. It was also very very difficult to change from the Latin Church to an Eastern Church. Many of those I know who have changed from the Latin Church to an Eastern Church have done so not out of disgust for the changes since Vatican II, but out of a love for the Eastern way of life and prayer. I am very suspicious of those who change for any other reason. Don

Don,

I am not stupid! I know people become Eastern Catholic for many reason other than fleeing the Latin Church.

I am making a point and trying to back it up by (not in a scientific way) asking these few members that particpate on this forum IF they are attrative to a more traditional liturgy. We will let them speak for themselves.