The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
HopefulOlivia, Quid Est Veritas, Frank O, BC LV, returningtoaxum
6,178 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
1 members (1 invisible), 507 guests, and 130 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
by orthodoxsinner2, September 30
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
by Veronica.H, April 24
Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Iowa
Exterior of Holy Angels Byzantine Catholic Parish
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,526
Posts417,646
Members6,178
Most Online4,112
Mar 25th, 2025
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#70916 07/13/05 03:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Friends,

Have a look at this Paraman on the istok site:

http://www.istok.net/product.php?productid=2498&cat=0&page=1&featured

or just on the home page at http://www.istok.net

I've never seen what the full paraman looks like until now - O.K. I've led a sheltered existence!

Could someone explain to me what grade of Orthodox monastic would wear this paraman?

It is not the Great Schema, correct?

I can see why our Basilian Fathers would have named the Carmelite scapular as the "paraman" in Ukrainian! smile

And it signifies carrying one's cross etc.?

Alex

#70917 07/13/05 04:16 PM
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,337
Likes: 24
Moderator
Member
Moderator
Member
Joined: Aug 1998
Posts: 4,337
Likes: 24
Alex,

A Stavrophore would wear this, although to be honest even among the Studites I have not seen this worn.

It is not the Great Schema, which is the analovos, which corresponds to the Western moastic full scapular, hanging down the front and the back. See here:
http://www.istok.net/product.php?productid=24899&cat=794&page=1

Fr. Deacon Lance


My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
#70918 07/13/05 04:23 PM
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,411
A
AMM Offline
Member
Member
A Offline
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,411
I don't have the answer but thanks for posting this. A friend who is an ACROD priest told me about the Istok site a while ago and I had forgotton all about it.

дякую!

#70919 07/13/05 04:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Friends,

How incredibly wonderful! smile

(Aren't I wonderful for posting this? wink )

There is also a really good site:

http://www.tserkovnost.org

It has the Longer Catechism of St Philaret of Moscow - which is really wonderful!

Alex

#70920 07/13/05 06:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 4
Junior Member
Junior Member
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 4
Hi All

The Paramon shown on Istok is indeed what a stavrophore monk or nun would wear. The reason you have never seen it worn is because it is always worn under ones podrasnik. Hope this helps.


Moses, unworthy monk

#70921 07/14/05 09:13 AM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Member
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 26,405
Likes: 38
Dear Friends,

And what is the significance for this Paraman?

Stavrophores are the second grade of Monastic - they would receive this with their prayer rope, would they not?

COULD this correspond in any way to the small scapular that Western Catholics (and some Eastern Catholics, I've heard it say) wear?

Alex


Moderated by  theophan 

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2024 (Forum 1998-2024). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0