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Oh, come now....considering one cannot even find out the number of Slovak, Polish, Czech, Serbian, Croatian, Russian, Ukrainian, or any of the other immigrants that come to this country either legally or illegally, how do you expect that we can one find the number of Rusyns?
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Oh, come now....considering one cannot even find out the number of Slovak, Polish, Czech, Serbian, Croatian, Russian, Ukrainian, or any of the other immigrants that come to this country either legally or illegally, how do you expect that we can one find the number of Rusyns? I think Father asked you a fair question. You say many new Rusyn immigrants are coming here, so wouldn't it be fair to share your knowledge of this fact? You must have an idea of numbers? How many have arrived? And if so please send some of them to my parish...We need choir help! 
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Hello All,
I believe the situation is not so dire for the BCA as it may seem from the tone of some posts above. My son is a college student and recently brought a group of his RC friends to a BC Church in Binghamton, NY. They all found it to be an awesome experience.....One student even said she would consider changing churches based on this one experience....
The Spirit works in mysterious ways....and, for some, one such experience can be a turning point. After all, wasn't just such an experience that convinced Vladimir more than a millenium ago?
At the Byzantine Youth Rally in Emmitsburg, Maryland in 2006, a group of about 30 teens from throughout the country sang the responses to a liturgy celebrated by all 4 Byzantine Catholic Ruthenian bishops. It was magnificent!! One of the nuns there, Sr. Celeste of the Sisters of St. Basil the Great, said to me just a couple of weeks ago that the liturgy in Emmitsburg was the most moving liturgy she had ever experienced. She and others are still marveling about it....even almost two years later! Personally, it renewed my hope that our church lives in the hearts and voices of our youth and will persist in the future. Yes, the liturgy was in English. But Sister Celeste told me that there are teens interested in learning the Old Slavonic, and would take advantage of the opportunity, if provided......
So, perhaps the challenge is to (1) participate to the hilt in the liturgies that are available; and, (2) provide opportunities for those who are interested in learning more and participating to the greatest extent possible (and allowable), and (3) trust in the Spirit to work through them.
Peace to you all! A student
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The Church is a living organism -- the Church in America has to be American. It has to find a way to sanctify American culture so that our young people see a connection between what happens in Church and their own lives. If we don't do this, we will close many churches -- not because of the RDL but because we have allowed the Church to become irrelevant. No, we have to change our lives to be like the church and follow the Truth. Chopping up the liturgy and conforming the church to American culture has been an abysmal failure. That's yet another reason why it is ludicrous to think that feminized inclusive language will attract people and be any kind of success. Furthermore, examples of parishes who practiced a fuller liturgy have been shown to attract people, especially younger families. People can get secularism anywhere in their lives without even looking, it is practically jammed down their throats. What people are seeking is undiluted fundamental Traditionalism, which of course is not something that they can find from the TV and Hollywood. The BCA and all Greek Catholic churches would be wise to offer this for many reasons. Monomakh
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it is ludicrous to think that feminized inclusive language will attract people and be any kind of success. Indeed! And that is the greatest mystery of all. The committee and hierarchs who decided to approve genderized language are very intelligent people. It is impossible for them not to have seen the results of the Roman Catholic gender language experiments. It did not work! And now, they have decided to begin the experiment again!!! It is beyond ludicrous. It is beyond understanding!!! R
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Monomakh writes: My 5 and 2 year old boys don't have any issues with the Ukrainian sermons, troparia, etc. by the way. Vony rozumyty duzhe dobre! Delighted to hear it. Perhaps in time they will be so kind as to explain to their father the distinction between the infinitive form of the verb, and the third person plural indicative! Fr. Serge
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The use of inclusive language is one of the most tragic and embarrassing elements that will haunt the "new translation". Rome has been very vocal over the years in its disapproval of this phenomenon. It spoke, of course, basically to the Latin church because no one could have truly forseen that such practice would enter into the Eastern churches. The use of such language has not been introduced by the will of the majority people or the majority of the clergy, but in most cases by nuns who remain among the very few in this country still holding on to this sixties notion of eliminating all pereceived male reference in speech, thus proverbially oppressing the oppressors. Intelligent, successful and powerful women have long ago abandoned this notion realizing that if one has to go about saying he/she is equal or change language to somehow prove it it only shows that there really is no equality. Equality only comes about when an individual is confident that he/she is equal and shows it in action, not by trying to change the world to conform to whatever minority view is held. Attempts to change language prove nothing other than a few individuals are still insecure in the fact that they are equal. Sadly, it is this insecurity that will keep these individuals prisoners of their perceived injustice and no change in language will ever be of help. I know I'm going back 2 years +/-, but I like what Prof. Thompson said in the above post! In Christ, Dn. Robert
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The use of inclusive language is one of the most tragic and embarrassing elements that will haunt the "new translation". Rome has been very vocal over the years in its disapproval of this phenomenon. It spoke, of course, basically to the Latin church because no one could have truly forseen that such practice would enter into the Eastern churches. The use of such language has not been introduced by the will of the majority people or the majority of the clergy, but in most cases by nuns who remain among the very few in this country still holding on to this sixties notion of eliminating all pereceived male reference in speech, thus proverbially oppressing the oppressors. Intelligent, successful and powerful women have long ago abandoned this notion realizing that if one has to go about saying he/she is equal or change language to somehow prove it it only shows that there really is no equality. Equality only comes about when an individual is confident that he/she is equal and shows it in action, not by trying to change the world to conform to whatever minority view is held. Attempts to change language prove nothing other than a few individuals are still insecure in the fact that they are equal. Sadly, it is this insecurity that will keep these individuals prisoners of their perceived injustice and no change in language will ever be of help. I know I'm going back 2 years +/-, but I like what Prof. Thompson said in the above post! In Christ, Dn. Robert Amen! Thank you for reposting Fr. Deacon...
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The Church is a living organism -- the Church in America has to be American. It has to find a way to sanctify American culture so that our young people see a connection between what happens in Church and their own lives. If we don't do this, we will close many churches -- not because of the RDL but because we have allowed the Church to become irrelevant. No, we have to change our lives to be like the church and follow the Truth. Chopping up the liturgy and conforming the church to American culture has been an abysmal failure. That's yet another reason why it is ludicrous to think that feminized inclusive language will attract people and be any kind of success. Furthermore, examples of parishes who practiced a fuller liturgy have been shown to attract people, especially younger families. People can get secularism anywhere in their lives without even looking, it is practically jammed down their throats. What people are seeking is undiluted fundamental Traditionalism, which of course is not something that they can find from the TV and Hollywood. The BCA and all Greek Catholic churches would be wise to offer this for many reasons. Monomakh Monomakh, there are people in parts of the Orthodox Church who believe the same thing as well. The need to modernize the liturgy, be totally generic American, etc. I don't think it will be met with success.
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