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Steve,
Like I said, it was what I had been told about other parishes...I have yet to get out of my own little circle here in NC and visit the Old Country in PA(and drag my mom so she can see that I am not Orthodox, although I can't understand why that would make such a big deal to her, she's not even Christian)...

Vie

I'm going back to singing Kumbaya now....less chance of putting my size 8's into my mouth if I am singing ...on the other hand, I'm tired of Kumbaya...what can we do with Michael Rowed the Boat Ashore???

Vie
who is still to this day, trying to figure out why we made such a big deal about that guy rowing that boat anyway...

I keep telling you what happens in the Latin Church will end up happing in our Church. No one wants to believe me they just live in their fantasyland thinking some how we are removed from this modernist garbage. You wait we will have Eucharist ministers at every liturgy and we will all be singing �Raised on Eagles Wings.�

I can�t wait to get some of that Post Vatican II modern style worship. Maybe we should not bother putting up Icon screens in our churches that do not still have them. After all with the new Liturgy and the new music we have coming soon we will need to be in the spirit of Vatican II. Don�t forget the icon screen doesn�t allow for the community to worship together. You know we will soon not be called Churches anymore but Byzantine communities. As a community I am sure we will be holding hands during the Our Father soon right after we sing, �Here I am Lord.�

Johan, if Eastrn Catholics are vigilant enough, then this nonsense will stop.

Pne of the worst things to happen to the Latin Church post VII is the music. Most of it is just plain awful. In my parish nobody sings on Sundays except the priest and the organist, who seems to choose some really bad stuff.

The BC churches I have attended - St. John's Cathedral in Munhall & St. Gregory in Upper St. Clair - did not select the worst of modern LC "hymns".

It never occured to me that amazing Grace is Calvinist. Personally I find Calvinism repugnant.

jw10...,

Worse yet, Amazing Grace is heresy. Yep! Read this:
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showre...=Amazing+Grace&pgnu=1&groupnum=0

It amazes me that the Church would all this garbage to sung. Oh wait, no nothing amazes me about the Church anymore.

I was at a Liturgy in an Orthodox parish once where prior to communion the priest had the young people come up to the front of the church and take off one of their shoes and exchange it with someone else, and put that person's shoe on, trying to teach them something or other that I can't exactly remember-. The adults were so entertained by this that this caused a great tumult in the church with loads of laughter and talking that was so loud that you couldn't hear the choir singing the communion hymn when communion was being given. And this wasn't in a Vatican II Catholic Church, this was in a canonical Orthodox Church. I agree that the Eastern Churches aren't immune to Liturgical abuses. We must be vigilant and pray for the Lord's help.

Dunstan

Well, well, the discalced Orthodox. While I confess to some curiosity as to what this silly gimmick was intended to mean (maybe to illustrate that Native American proverb that we should not judge another until we have walked X number of miles in his moccasins - but I doubt that Native Americans used miles). Incognitus

If you think "Amazing Grace" is heresey, wait until you here the "praise music" version that blends the lyrics with the old Eagles song "Peaceful Easy Feeling" Or better yet, when I was a teenager I got in trouble for singing the lyrics of Amazing Grace to the tune of "the House of the Rising Sun"...now that is sung in some "churches".

The Polyeleos, of course:

Praise the name of the Lord, Alleluia!
All you servants of the Lord, Alleluia!



Dave

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lemko Rusyn:
[QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by djs:
[qb]I also think that we have a responsibility to safeguard and treasure our legacy, but am not particularly concerned about exclusive use of old country hymns. Indeed that would be something of a paradox. Our tradition almost certainly includes developing new material through composing, borrowing, and adapting popular sources. If we are not doing that now, then shame on our lack of vitality<edit here>
***in fact, and please someone correct me if I'm wrong, the popular Kol' Slaven Nas that's in the back of the Levkulic pew book is sung (at least at my Ruthenian parish) to a Bortnianskij melody...isn't he a Russian sacred music composer? I was listening to some of his music on some orthodox web site and suddenly I heard 'our' hymn but set to his music... -Jason

****this is absolutely ridiculously hilarious...are you perhaps a RC 'Folk Mass' liturgist?

Dave, first it was Kumbaya and now, Michael row the boat ashore...Where will it end? You are the cantor's cantor...

***I'm also of Czech/Moravian descent on my father's side of the family...nice to meet a Czech mate...

Dear Slavyanskij
I will correct as you have requested because you are wrong.
Bortiansky is not Russian. He's Ukrainian. It is true that he studied at St. Petersburg but that doesn't make him Russian you know.
Lauro

Bortniansky and Kol' Slaven. This is getting interesting. Bortniansky was indeed Ukrainian. He was also ambitious and successful - he eventually became Kapellmeister at the Imperial Chapel in Saint Petersburg (the other candidate, who lost out to Bortniansky, was Vedel, who was also Ukrainian). But more to the point, Bortniansky studied music in Italy, and it was in Italy that he composed that melody as a setting for - wait for it - Tantum Ergo Sacramentum. This probably does not explain the practice found in some places of singing a sick hymn to the "sacred heart" as a prelude to the ersatz Benediction occasionally found up until about 20 years ago in some Ruthenian churches. Pity he didn't also compose a setting for O Salutaris Hostia. Incognitus