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Pentecostals widening influence [ news.yahoo.com] A new 10-nation survey of Pentecostal and charismatic Christians, considered the fastest-growing stream of Christianity worldwide, shows they are deeply influencing the Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant churches and are poised to make a big impact on global affairs.
The poll released Thursday by the Washington-based Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that "spirit-filled" Christians, who speak in tongues and believe in healing through prayer, comprise at least 10 percent of the population in nine of the 10 surveyed countries. ... In the traditionally Catholic nations of Brazil, Guatemala and the Philippines, charismatics are a larger share of the population than Pentecostals.
In six of the 10 countries, Pentecostals and charismatics together make up the majority of the overall Protestant population, according to the survey.
The Pentecostal movement, which began a century ago in Los Angeles, spread quickly overseas because of its adaptability to local cultures, whose indigenous beliefs often include healings and casting out of evil spirits, and because of the exuberance of its worship.
While Pentecostals and charismatics are known for speaking in tongues, the survey found respondents were more likely to say that they had personally witnessed or experienced other signs of the Holy Spirit, such as a healing through prayer or a direct revelation from God. Interesting story.
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If they could only make inroads among the Muslims in Muslim dominated nations. I've never heard of a Pentecostal intentionally killing anyone.
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except the soul with the heresy of their teaching 
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Their souls are already dead. At least they won't kill us.
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer:
Their souls are already dead.
CDL Dan, I don't think we can judge others' souls. -- John
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Alright. That goes for Pentecostals as well as Muslims. At least we can know that the Muslims at least are heretics.
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You may want to read Bishop Kallistos Ware's very wise words about those of other faiths as written in K. Markides Gifts of the Desert.
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Not all pentecostals are "heretics" by Catholic standards. Catholic penetcostals (aka "Charismatic Catholics") are in full communion with the Church. I think we need to tread with caution when throwing out labels like "heretics" and "dead souls".
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer:
If they could only make inroads among the Muslims in Muslim dominated nations. I've never heard of a Pentecostal intentionally killing anyone.
CDL Lets take a poll as to how long the life span would be if an Pentacostal tried evangelizing in a Muslim country such as Saudi Arabia? Any guesses?
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Originally posted by carson daniel lauffer:
Alright. That goes for Pentecostals as well as Muslims. At least we can know that the Muslims at least are heretics.
CDL I will go you one better, I think they are apostates.
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My comments about dead souls and heretics was in reference to Muslims not Pentecostals. For that matter while all Muslims are by definition heretics they aren't all apostates or "dead souls".
Even if my comments are too brash for some the point remains Muslims cannot be Catholics and many Muslims do wish us severe harm.
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As if on cue from Byzcath Forum, Cardinal Kasper adds his take on the Pentecostal phenomenon: Learn from Pentecostals, says Cardinal Kasper
Pittsburgh, Oct. 11, 2006 (CNA) - Instead of simply criticizing Pentecostal churches that draw Catholics as members, Catholic leaders should consider why their parishes aren't meeting the needs of those who leave, said Cardinal Walter Kasper said Monday. Rest of story by the Catholic News Agency: http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7806 Amado
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Many young members who's families didn't practice or participate in their churches are discovering the spirit filled charasmatic service to be uplifting and enticing. I am dating one and sh enever realized the spirituality of the catholic faith until she observes me and my families practicing and participating in my church.
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That article is so good that it is worth quoting in full; see below. I would draw your attention to this quote in particular: Catholics who leave their parishes often they long for a sense of Christian community and direct spiritual experience that they find lacking, he continued. I find this idea particularly appropriate for Eastern Christianity, because the Divine Liturgy provides exactly this. It provides "a sense of Christian community and direct spiritual experience." Why, oh WHY, can't we market ourselves to disaffected Christians who are looking for "a sense of Christian community and direct spiritual experience" ??? Why can't we market ourselves to people who want that but who don't want to have to hold hands with strangers, or wave their arms in the air, or babble incomprehensibly, or otherwise exhibit the so-called charismatic "gifts." Why can't we market ourselves as offering "a sense of Christian community and direct spiritual experience" that is deep and reverent and mystical, as another way to experience the Spirit ? Anyway, here is the article in full. I'm glad that someone in authority in the Catholic Church is saying that we should learn from the Pentecostals and trying to apply their successes within Catholic tradition. -- John Learn from Pentecostals, says Cardinal Kasper( http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7806 ) Pittsburgh, Oct. 11, 2006 (CNA) - Instead of simply criticizing Pentecostal churches that draw Catholics as members, Catholic leaders should consider why their parishes aren't meeting the needs of those who leave, said Cardinal Walter Kasper said Monday. "Our response cannot be in the form of a polemical approach, leaving ourselves to condemn the activities of other groups," the cleric reportedly told an audience of 225 people at Duquesne University. According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Cardinal Kasper, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said it is crucial to be engaged with the diverse global Pentecostal movement, which numbers 600 million members. Catholics who leave their parishes often they long for a sense of Christian community and direct spiritual experience that they find lacking, he continued. In addition, many haven't been taught enough about their own faith to respond to criticisms of their faith. These problems are acute in the global South, he said. The cardinal called for better faith formation, which does not denigrate other Christian denominations, small parish-based prayer groups, youth groups and Bible studies where people can form a close spiritual community. He noted that the Catholic charismatic movement, which has characteristics similar to Pentecostalism, emerged in 1967 at Duquesne University, reported the newspaper. Pentecostalism emphasizes community and the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and faith healing. Bishop Paul Bradley, administrator of the Diocese of Pittsburgh, Metropolitan Basil Schott of the Byzantine Catholic Archeparchy of Pittsburgh, Episcopal Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh and Metropolitan Nicholas of the Carpatho-Russian Orthodox Church of Johnstown also attended the lecture. Fr. Lou Vallone, pastor of St. John of God Parish in McKees Rocks, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette he believes there is hope of rebuilding ties with Catholics who have joined the Pentecostal church. �People are attracted to the emotionalism and high levels of joy, but they miss the Mass,� he was quoted as saying. He said when he held Mass during a joint Catholic and Pentecostal medical mission to Mexico everybody attended. �It was like a coming home for them,� he reportedly said.
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I hate my job because I couldn't go to that lecture. I soo wanted to.
whining aside, we DO need to address the problem of folks leaving the Church. Not a new problem, either. I'm out of ideas, unfortunately. I can only ask my friends (who barely believe in God anyway) to come so many times, even when I up the ante by offering free pirohy!
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