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#7866 12/10/02 02:36 PM
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Dear Steven,

Would that all Ukie Catholics were like you!

Perhaps we should start a program of ecclesial cloning?

Alex

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Dear Alex,

I have been in the Ukrainian Catholic Church throughout my life.

I have seen a lot of good examples such as Patriarch Slipyj standing up to Rome and calling himself Patriarch. He also had no problems with a married Priesthood wink even when a lot of Roman Catholics did. I can see the look on the Roman Curia's faces now smile .

But there is also a lot of bad. A lot of it of our own making. Our past Basilians have a history of loyalty to Rome and not their own Church. Being replaced by Carmailites can remedy this smile .

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Dear Steven,

Well, interestingly enough, St Josaphat was a Basilian, and he actually OPPOSED accepting a Byzantine Rite Carmelite Order on the grounds they are Latin!

(Sorry, Fr. Elias!)

But the Basilians of today are like the Eastern Rite Jesuits and I understand they take the SAME oath of loyalty to the Pope as the Jesuits do.

With the difference that the Basilians really MEAN what they say in the oath!

Alex

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and I understand they take the SAME oath of loyalty to the Pope as the Jesuits do.
God forbid!! Haha just kidding; being loyal to the Pope and being loyal to your Particular Church are one in the same for me.

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Dear Alex,

I believe Studites accross the board are the Order of the day smile .

Patriarch Lubomyr can start the ball moving in this direction across the board smile .

Steven

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Talking about Studites,... We need them down here!
Lauro

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+ Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us - Amen!

Dear Steven,

I think we better do something about sending some Studites down to where Lauro is before long! smile

Perhaps they could send them some Studite students?

That way they could get used to the climate slowly . . .

I remember when a Venezuelan Ambassador to Canada was going home and he was asked by the press how he liked the Canadian summer.

"How should I know? he said. "I've only been here 11 months!"

Alex

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Dear Alex and Steven,
If and when the Studite monks ever come down here. I'd be more than happy to pick them up at the airport, I'd also ask somebody at the airport to take a few pictures of me with them.
They for sure will have a lot of work to do. I'd say that 95% of the Ukie Catholics down here have never heard of them, much less seen them. Some people might look at them let's say with a little fear and doubt at first, but once the people understand the history of the Studite monks and their Holy way of being, it won't take long for people to support them and help them grow and maybe even out-grow a certain order that we have down here (you know the one I'm talking about). I've already spoken to my bishop about it and he told me that he would honestly think about it. I have also started to speak with some priests and some of them seem to be supportive of the idea, but others seem to tremble when they hear the word Studite. I really see no reason for not giving them a small parish (three blocks from my home). So that they could start teaching our kids and not only kids but adults as well in the true Byzantine tradition. I don't know honestly if there would be Studite monks available in Ukraine or elsewhere who would like to be transfered, but four or five monks would be a good number to start with.
Lauro

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