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Ghazar, I'm sure that this is just a typo on your part, but the Nativity of the Most Holy Theotokos is celebrated on Sept. 8, *NOT* March 8. With her Conception by St. Anna celebrated as a minor feast on Dec. 9 in the Orthodox Church, this is one day short of a perfect 9-month gestation.
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Dear Friends,
This is all very interesting, but the original Christmas was celebrated on what we today celebrate as January 6th, as the Armenian Church still does.
Let us remember that there were many aspects of both pagan religious and civil life in the Roman empire that the Church adopted and "Christianized" including the practice of the pectoral Cross with the double loop for priests and many other things.
The original use of the liturgical fans was to simply keep flies away from the uncovered Chalice during the Liturgy.
Those fans have received many religious interpretations ever since.
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Originally posted by OrthodoxEast:
Ghazar, I'm sure that this is just a typo on your part, but the Nativity of the Most Holy Theotokos is celebrated on Sept. 8, *NOT* March 8. With her Conception by St. Anna celebrated as a minor feast on Dec. 9 in the Orthodox Church, this is one day short of a perfect 9-month gestation.
OrthodoxEast Thank you, brother, for the correction.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear Friends,
This is all very interesting, but the original Christmas was celebrated on what we today celebrate as January 6th, as the Armenian Church still does.
Alex So true, Alex, we Armenians do not celebrate our Lord's Nativity on the 25th of December. But then again, we do not celebrate Garabed's (the Forerunner's) Nativity on the 24th of June either. I was approaching the question from an Eastern Roman (Byzantine) perspective being rather impressed by Fr. Anthony Coniaris' explanation. It is a fact that their calendar is more developed and ours more primitive. But what do you expect from a Church outside of the Roman Empire? We're lucky we're not quatro-decimans or something.  In Christ's Light, Ghazar
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Dear Ghazar,
Yes - it was Pope St Victor who wanted to excommunicate the quartodecimans or those who celebrated Easter on the first day of the Jewish Passover (14 Nisan)!
Pope St Pius I ordained that Easter had to be celebrated on a Sunday always.
St Irenaeus and others asked Rome not to excommunicate the quartodecimans since they had produced a number of great Saints and Martyrs . . .
My only point is that there are many Christian traditions borrowed and Christianized from the pre-Christian world.
Christians later gave these traditions a Christian meaning, even to the point of denying their pre-Christian roots.
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Can't argue with you there, broher. Valid point.
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