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How do Byzantine Catholic view the Anglo catholic Churchs? I added a few links for your viewing. There are a small group of Anglocatholics that have returned to Rome as the following link shows http://www.walsingham-church.org/

Canadian anglocatholic church.
http://www.zeuter.com/~accc/
US anglocatholic church.
http://www.anglicancatholic.org/
What is Anglocatholism?
http://www.holycommunion1848.org/

If you're talking about Anglo-Catholicism not in communion with Rome, Byzantine Catholics view this type of "Anglo-Catholicism" the same way as the rest of the Catholic Church does: it is not a Catholic group, it does not have valid Apostoliic Succession, and (not to be rude, but factual) it is heretical.

If you are speaking of those Catholic parishes which use the Anglican Liturgy, and who are (obviously) in communion with Rome (in fact they are 100% Roman Catholic), then they are fully Catholic in every sense of the word. They are under the jurisdiction of the local Roman Catholic bishop, like any other Roman Catholic parish. These parishes are usually Episcopal/Anglican parishes that have converted to Catholicism.

The following quote is from St. Anselm's Roman Catholic (Anglican Use) parish in (fittingly enough) Corpus Christi, TX:

ChristTeen287

It took me a while to find it in their statements, but they are basically Orthodox in English vestments, i.e., they do not accept the primacy of the Holy Father over the Church.

So the rebellion continues. What else is new?

Brother Ed

There ARE canonical Western-rite Orthodox affiliated with the Antiochian Orthodox- many of whom are former Anglicans

I would like to think that the 'gym membership' card is of less relevance than the ability to love God and love one's neighbor.

(I just read an article in the Orthodox Observer where a local Episcopal church, in the 1920s, GAVE a church building to a tiny Greek Orthodox community in Lowell, Massachusetts to help them establish a parish. They did it, in Christian love, to help some other Christians who needed a place to worship and pray. Can one seriously expect that I, as a latter-day Greek-American, am going to reject these generous Episcopalians because they are 'non-canonical'?

I wish that the Lord Jesus would come on down and let us know HIS perspective on how we should be living with each other. For those Episcopalians who were so incredibly generous, may the Lord grant to them and their families His choicest blessings for their loving kindness and generosity. May we learn from their self-abnegation and their generous concern for other Christians.

Blessings!

The Orthodox do not view them as "heretical" so easly, and by the way CARDINAL RATZINGER in a book titled "Salt of the Earth" speaks of the Holy Father wanting to make there way into Rome as "easly" as possible because there are basicly Roman Catholic's outside of Rome. In some cases Succession was granted to many men that were ordained in the Anglican Church with very little done to welcome them into Rome. During the early 1980's Holy Communion was given the Anglo-Catholic's by Roman Fathers by the permission of the Holy Father due to the ordain of women. (most have become Roman Catholic's)
So it's really not easy to label them "heretical", the Holy Father Pope John Paul seems to accept them at least in part. I was looking for a former Anglican view.

Dear Odo,

To be "Anglo-Catholic" is something that includes quite a comprehensive array of theological perspectives.

In the time of King Charles the First (venerated as a saint and martyr by Anglo-Catholics), those who adhered to the belief in the NEED for episcopal succession were called "orthodox members of the Church of England or else "Reformed Catholics."

The term "Anglican" was used by the Catholic Church in England at the time of St Theodore of Canterbury - a Greek from Tarsus, St Paul's home town.

Anglo-Catholicism evolved into a loose federation of "High Church" Anglican parishes characterized by: a) exposition and veneration of the Blessed Sacrament; b) devotion to the Virgin Mary and c) prominence of the Crucifix.

These three devotions established an Anglican parish within the "Anglo-Catholic" camp with theological perspectives varying from liberal to conservative etc.

The Western and Eastern Churches would have problems admitting their "canonical validity" of their orders, but that doesn't take away from the many positive aspects of their spiritual life that has led many toward the fullness of Catholic and Orthodox faith.

One RC priest, Pere Lamy, once commented favourably on the Anglo-Catholics' devotion to the Blessed Sacrament.

He said that "even if they don't have a valid priesthood, they still pray to our Lord in the Sacrament."

King Charles the First died on the scaffold because he held fast to the belief that the Church was not the Church without bishops.

He also believed that the Anglican Church had valid apostolic succession.

In any event, in the 19th century, they opened his tomb and, lo and behold, his body had not decomposed!

The Anglo-Catholic tradition has produced many holy fruits and I personally derive great inspiration from the life of Nicholas Ferrar of Little Gidding and his monastic way of life with his family there.

Alex

I's no good - I am getting more and more confused.

Now please allow me to recap a bit.

In my days as an Anglican I would have been considered High Church rather than Low Church [evangelical] but I was not an Anglo Catholic.
Anglo Catholics always referred to their services as Mass - bells and smells - the lot. They rarely had such Services on Sundays as Matins but did have Low Mass and High Mass. Obviously they were concerned about the ordination of women and indeed many did as a result go to the RC Church.

However here, to my knowledge - and it is admittedly imperfect, though some Anglican Priests were ordained into the Latin Church I have not come across Parishes that are Latin and using what can be described as Anglican Use Liturgy. Is this just a situation that happened across the big puddle ?

Angela

Dear Angela,

Rome has in fact established the Anglican Use, and I take it it is more popular in North America than Britain (?).

There are also Anglican Rite Orthodox ("Rite of St Tikhon") using a revised Book of Common Prayer etc.

Alex

I disagree, being an ex-anglo catholic there were far fewer liberals in the anglocatholic parish then I find in the local Latin parish. Often Anglicanism is seen as liberal at least in the West, but anglocatholics are well camped on pre-tridentine catholicism.

Dear Odo,

I mean "liberal" only insofar as there are Anglo-Catholics with quite indefinite ideas as to which Ecumenical Councils are binding etc.

There are many others, and most of which I know, who have VERY definite ideas.

The Anglican Catholic movement is one of the greatest critics of Anglo-Catholicism as one can see on their sites for this very reason.

This is the sense in which I use the term "liberal."

If you still feel this is an inappropriate term to use, I will withdraw it and agree to only use it when referring to some of the positions of Dr. John .

By the way, did you, as an Anglo-Catholic, venerate King Charles the Martyr?

Do you still?

Alex

Don't forget the good George Herbert!!!

Brian

Dear Brian,

Yes, "Holy Mr. Herbert" (feast Feb. 27)was a good friend of the Ferrars.

As an Anglican, he continued a medieval Catholic tradition with the other canons at his cathedral by saying the entire Psalter daily through a division where each was assigned a group of Psalms etc.

He was totally dedicated to saying the daily Office of the Book of Common Prayer, even when he was terribly ill.

May we be as good Christians in our respective Churches as this saint of God was in his!

(Were you a former Anglican? If so, what, if anything, do you continue to observe in terms of Anglican practices?)

Alex

No, Alex. I am not a former Anglican but just an admirer of the Oxford Movement and it's history as well as it's antecedents in the Church of England.

There is actually an Episcopalian fellow inquirer at my OCA parish- he isn't coming to Orthodoxy because of problems in or bitterness towards his Church but because he fell in love with the East. VERY good to see!

Peace,
Brian

There seems to be confusion about which group we're talking about: Anglicans of the Church of England who are not in communion with the Catholic Church ...or... Roman Catholics who attend parishes that sacrifice the Anglican Use Mass and use various other devotions and religious practices that reflect English/Anglican spirituality.

Come to think of it, I think I'm the only confused one

Personally, I'd take the Anglican Use over the modern Roman Catholic Mass any day.

What a plethora of traditions we have in our One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!

ChristTeen287