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Hasn't the SSPX already divided itself?

What is the name of the group that calls SSPX "ecumenist-modernists"?

I don't know which group you are referring to but the newest group is the Good Shepherd Institute founded last month within the archdiocese of Cardinal Ricard of Bordeaux, France, to house splinter groups from the SSPX. Initially, it has 5 ex-SSPX priests and seminarians as members.

I think this will continue until a formal agreement is reached between Rome and the SSPX and a re-organization is directed by the Pope combining all traditionalist groups under SSPX or some other acceptable organization.

In this re-organization, it would be interesting to see what will happen to the FSSP, the Institute of Christ the King, and the Society of St. John Vianney of Campos, Brazil, which all have similar charisms.

Cf:

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94679

Amado

Maybe the (temporary) idea is to keep them separated into small groups for a while - so that if a bishop or priest decides to schism again, only a few will follow.

What effect do you think bringing the SSPX back into the Catholic Church would have on Eastern Catholics, when they have opinions like this:

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What must be our attitude, then, towards the Uniate Byzantine churches which have fallen into this grave danger of eirenism? Surely we ought to find out if the Filioque is included in their Creed or not. If it once was, and it now is not, they have compromised with the heretics and schismatics, and they give the false impression that it really does not matter if one is Orthodox or Eastern Catholic. They favor the heresy of Photius, who denied the Filioque. They favor the opinion that the Roman Church deviated for 14 centuries by its insertion of the Filioque. They become a part of the grinding wheel of ecumenism which is rapidly striving to reduce the Catholic Faith to a lowest common denominator, acceptable not only to the Orthodox, but also to Protestants, Muslims and Jews. They fail to clearly profess the Faith and add further to the confusion which exists in the Church.

SSPX FAQs [sspx.org]

This priest is trying to be "more Catholic than the Pope". If Pius XI said that Eastern Catholic Churches are not obliged to recite the Filioque (which he did), then so be it. If we accept the formulation of many of the Eastern Fathers that the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father through the Son" , then what is it to the author of this piece whether or not we had recited the "Filioque" in the past? He is judging our motivation negatively. He is on "thin ice" if he is judging motivation. Even if the SSPX is regularized, they can have no effect on the internal life of our Church, since we are recognized in Canon Law as self-governing, or "sui iuris".

Dn. Robert

Ok, let me try and catch up.

Father Anthony, Theophan, et al.,

The fact that CITH is practiced anywhere but in the modern-day Novus Ordo is news to me.

Father Anthony, you say that this practice is done during the DL of St. James, but then Father Serge goes on to say that 1) this practice was revived 70 years ago, by ROCOR, and 2) the hierarchs at the time thought it imprudent to employ CITH given (judging from Fr. Serge's words), the "spirit of the age," if you will - - and that was in the 1930s!

Perhaps I may amend my comments from saying that CITH is not sacreligious and shameful in essence or by its very nature, but that given the climate of the 20th century, a period in which secularism, modernism, and even apostasy ran amok, CITH at this time both helped kick-start and encourage this mindset that What we receive is not really Our Lord's Body and Blood, but rather just bread and wine. CITH unquestionably, in our age, dumbs down the idea that the Holy Species are otherwordly, are sacred, are to be venerated, and turns It into something like a cookie or lollipop that can be thrust into our palms.

As I said in my first post regarding this issue, I'm well-aware that CITH was practiced in the first centuries of Christianity, so therefore I never meant to insinuate that I was ever fully convinced that CITH is sacreligious in its essence.

And, Theophan, we are free to disagree with disciplinary decisions of Popes without being unCatholic! One can think that allowing altar girls is a highly imprudent and problematic decision - and I certainly do, and I bet a number of other posters here do as well - without having to fear being judged that one is setting oneself up as Pope...at least in a just world! It is when we set ourselves against the faith and morals, i.e. the de fide dogma of the Church, that we should fear for our souls and are in grave error, a thing which I daresay not a few posters on this Forum do from time to time.

Logos Teen

Teen:

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!!

It is one thing to disagree. It is quite another to disagree disagreeably. You seem to have a unique gift to become strident and disagreeable in the way you express yourself and it seems to be a regular habit.

I'd advise you to take a little counsel with someone older and wiser that you know and trust who can help you temper this habit before it marks you in the great world. Cyberspace can be a lot more forgiving than those around you if this is the way you ordinarily express yourself.

In Christ,

BOB

Theophan,

I take your remarks in charity and will ponder them.

This is at least the second, if not third, time that you have seen fit to "teach me a thing or two." I honestly feel I must reiterate, in case you missed it the other times when I clearly asked, that I would prefer you express your personal concerns to me privately. Especially when your concerns have nothing to do with the substance of the topic being discussed, I can see no other reason for posting this publically other than to get a buzz on your power trip.

I do wonder a bit about the propriety or manners of extrapolating what you see me post here regarding a clearly divisive issue and applying it to my personal life (where such things are rarely discussed!), but I will nevertheless take your comments into prayer.

Now, back to the matter at hand!

Logos Teen

Thank you for posting this, Theist Gal. The entire entry at the FAQ is also interesting . . . if less than charming.

-- John

You don't need to be a member of the SSPX, for I have heard some inappropriate remarks made by priests and other's about Eastern Catholics & Orthodox in my neck of the woods...they are the new world order ones...they embrace the new thoughts and dislike tradition period...

Don't be blinded and play the blame game...

james