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#85728 09/18/02 07:47 PM
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A friend of mine is interested in visiting Ukrainian Catholic Parishes in the US and Canada. He travels a great deal for work, and covers a lot of ground every year. Would anyone care to recommend places worth visiting?

With Thanks,

Michael

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Chicago's twin parishes, St. Nicholas and SS. Volodymir & Olha.

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Glory to Jesus Christ!

St. Elias in Brampton, Ontario is the queen jewel of all North American Ukrainian Catholic parishes and St. Nicholas on Queen Street in Toronto, Ontario is very nice as well. God Bless!

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My parish, St. John the Baptizer in San Diego, CA.

We have a shrine of the Miraculous Healing Oil of St. Nicholas given to us by Bishop Michael. It flows from his body once a year and we were given some (a quite large supply) to be a permenant shrine for the entire west coast.

Other good Ukrainian churches are St. George in NYC and Pokrova (Holy Protection) in Cleveland area (Parma).

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He MUST go see St. Elias in Brampton. Also a visit to the Studite monastery in Orangeville would be worthwhile.

Sts. Volodymyr and Olha in Chicago and St. Nicholas Cathedral are only two blocks apart and an easy walk in Chicago's Ukrainian Village. And Ann's Bakery is only two blocks the other way (yum).

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A must see, architecturally speaking, is St. Mary
(I think it is under the title "Uspenije") Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church located in Spangler/Barnesboro (now called Northern Cambria) Pennsylvania. A beautiful "Boiko-Carpathian styled" wooden church, a truely a gem even though it is located in very rural Western PA (Cambria Co.).
S'Bohom!

Ung-Certez

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Ung-Certez,

Excellent temple! Also my father's hometown parish.

Have you seen the cemetary chapel down the road east of town? You will see a number of "Thur" tombstones by it.

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Dear Nik,

How great you can still remember those parishes! wink

You are always welcome back to them, you know!

And remember that everything St Elias knows, it learned from St Nicholas . . .

Alex

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Also St. John the Baptist in Hunter, New York which is a traditional Ukrainian-style wooden church. I've not been in Holy Trinity UCC in Silver Spring, Maryland but it appears to also be a traditional-style wooden church.

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I can recommend the only Ukrainian Church I know personally, St. Joseph's in St. Joseph, MO. The actual church itself may not be an architechural wonder like some of the ones mentioned above...but the TRUE CHURCH, the people who make up our little parish, are worth the visit...especially if you happen to make it on day when the there is food! Don the wannabe Ukie

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Don,

Your absolutely correct, the question was about parishes, not architecture.

In that case, I would recommend any parish.

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Dear Cantor Joe,

You changed your screen name!

But I recognized your home town.

St Nicholas Ukr. Cath. Church is a former Presbyterian Church that is about 100 years old.

We did nothing to change its external appearance, cupolas would just make it even more offensive wink .

More and more, however, I am beginning to like the warm, inviting, almost very Christian atmosphere at my in-laws' Latinized parish.

For some reason, I just want to stay after Liturgy to help out with different events and will be doing so on Saturday with their festival.

People don't do that at the other parish as much.

So, what is more important, Byzantine liturgical "oomph" or Christian community - assuming one is faced with a situation where the two won't be in the same parish?

Alex

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"So, what is more important, Byzantine liturgical "oomph" or Christian community - assuming one is faced with a situation where the two won't be in the same parish?"

Alex,

Is this question related to the one about whether one should receive Communion from a sinful priest? What is more important, the degree of holiness of the priest or the opportunity to participate in the divine nature of God thru Communion?

A hypothetical situation responded with a rhetorical question. Makes for good case studies, no?

Personally, does it matter? Does architecture or people restrict God's activities?

Joe Thur

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Dear Cantor Joe,

So it is you! wink

Actually, there is nothing hypothetical about the situation I described.

The case study involves me, myself and I.

Yes, there is much more "Byzantine correctness" in the former parish, but more of a loving community in the latter.

The latter succeeds in attracting not only Ukrainians of all immigration waves, but also others including Orthodox and RCs.

Not every Byzantine parish does that, you know!

Plus, the former would be unbending on the subject of English liturgies and other matters of a strictly cultural nature that would be a turn-off for potential converts and new members.

What is more important? I'm pulled in two directions now.

Perhaps I can go to the latter parish and start a "Byzantine renewal" thingy there.

Alex

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... Pokrova (Holy Protection) in Cleveland area (Parma).
If anyone is in the Cleveland area I recommend visiting the 2 Ukrainian cathedrals: St Josaphat (Greco-Catholic) and St Vladimir (Orthodox). If one is interested in other Eastern churches as well drop me line and I'll give you a list. My friends and I used to take people "Eastern church hopping" on Sunday mornings. Oh, the sights you can see if you have four hours and a fast chauffeur biggrin

Andrij
(Plugging the old 'hood whenever he can...)


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